The mass shooting near Mandalay Bay

From the Article:
"Casinos and concert facilities need to have plans on how they can remove people quickly in the event of an active shooter and where to lead them in order to be safe, according to Alan Zajic, a security consultant specializing in hospitality, gaming, nightclubs and retail."

This seems a very likely and logical response at a minimum. After the Station nightclub fire in RI in 2003, large venues in the State will make announcements regarding the location of fire exits in buildings (the RI Casino, Twin River, has it as a regular announcement). I'd expect similar announcements at large shows/venues in at least Las Vegas if not broadly around the country.

Doesn't do anything about an active shooter, but would hopefully help reduce the injuries that occur from people trying to leave the venue.

Edit to add: this is my first contribution to this thread. This is not from a lack of concern, not a lack of sympathy, nor a lack of response. I just have nothing material to add and am still processing my thoughts. With nothing to add, I thought it better not to. All of the victims, families, heroes, and first responder are in my thoughts. Likewise, those who had to bear witness, or be caught up in the panic afterwards. And the country as a whole, and the world. Acts like this rob all of us of some collective happiness, and collective innocence. All of this and more is in my thoughts. Just not sure how to articulate it, so I have not. Instead, I focus on small, consumable pieces, like the thoughts above.

 

I know this is possibly OT, but I think it's relevant and kinda bothers me.

A few weeks ago I was having a bite to eat at an airport food court (not McCarran) while waiting for a plane. I realized that there was an unattended bag (generic plastic supermarket type bag, not luggage) sitting on a chair at the table just across the aisle from me and it had been there from before I was. I looked around and I did not see any uniformed security types, so I reported it to the first employee I found. She grabbed the bag {shudder!} and gave me a one-sentence "it's only trash, why are you bothering me with it?" response.

 

I hope you didn't take it personally, and would do it again.

 

I saw something and I said something. I was actually thinking of reporting the nonchalant response but I had a plane to catch and I really didn't know who to report it to.

 

I'm not a fan of this idea as well. But, if it has to be done, it has to be done. If it's going to make us somewhat safe, then I'm for it.
We just recently attended an LA Clippers vs. Toronto Raptors game, and before you even entered the arena, there were metal detectors in place. You had to walk through and empty your pockets of all contents. While this was a minor inconvenience to us (and it felt like we were at the airport) I felt more at ease they were doing this screening measure with an arena of over 5,000 people.

 

I respectfully disagree. Who said anything about being "entitled?" The police are releasing important info to the media and holding press conferences. They have already stated publicly that he checked in with the girlfriend's ID (NYTimes) which every Las Vegas expert on this board would recognize as a bit unusual. You don't think the Mandalay Bay should confirm or deny this simple fact, and explain how this was allowed if it did in fact happen? And stating the date that he booked the reservation would not compromise the investigation in any way.

My point is, why is his gambling and casino activity heavily guarded information, when the police have released so much other information.

I'm not asking or expecting the case to be solved tomorrow, just that facts could get out and rumors squashed.

 

I think it's good on you for having said something.
Better safe than sorry, as they say.

 

I’m not into labels. Nor am I trying to solve the security problem that may exist at events like this in the future. Just felt like giving my opinion, which is often tough to do on this forum at times.

 

I think the interaction should be conveyed to the FBI. They wouldn't put up with that stuff for a minute. They'd contact the head of the airport and demand to know what type of training is/will be implemented to be sure this scenario is handled properly in the future.

 

A couple of month's ago, we were obsessing about weed use being more widely detected in hotel rooms. seems sort of trivial now, it appears.

 

I don't want anything from the police/fbi until they are ready to tell us or it will be just like all the mis info on this forum which I have contributed to.

 

The investigation is going to look at not just the bad guy's activities, but also for potential associates. All of the info mentioned above are hard data points that can be loaded into software and "searched" for commonalities.

Also, the more info that leaks prior to completing the investigation can alert potential conspirators, as well as make it more difficult to rule out tipsters that have no real knowledge to contribute.

Lastly, if charges are to be brought against someone, investigators are looking for relationships and actions that could make the resulting court case more difficult to prosecute. Example: guy commits crime against someone. Bad guy's lawyer discovers a prior relationship between bad guy and victim that a jury could interpret as exculpatory.

 

Here's a video of the room. (Edit: The room is absolutely gigantic.) At a minimum they'll have to completely redo the entire floor. They'll have to renumber all the floors.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/stephen-paddock-room-shows-guns-shells-article-1.3538092

Here are the faces of 49 victims. So many young adults. So many parents of small children.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/remembering-victims-las-vegas-mass-shooting-gallery-1.3536736?pmSlide=1.3539258

 

I don't think MB should publicly confirm or deny anything. I would imagine their attorneys are telling them that also.

 

Let me pose this.

You are on vacation on the Las Vegas Strip. Your past days of walking casino to casino, and enjoying your time in Las Vegas as your "happy place", have been replaced with pat downs and bag searches at every door, reminding you that you are in an unsafe and potentially deadly area.

Enjoy your vacation!

 

That's really a shame. I checked in with Southwest today and they are allowing Vegas people to make changes all week and not charging fees. I'm really surprised by Alaska, they are normally so great.

 

In that case, why did the police even release his name to the public? Why answer any questions at all?

Releasing FACTS is how you dissuade tipsters who are wildly speculating about irrelevant or dis-proven theories. It also helps to comfort the public.

 

Give it time. Everything should return to normal. I would hope (and doubt) that you would be searched at every casino you enter. God Bless all the victims of this, it truly makes me sad, but I know Vegas will rebound.

 

Which is exactly my point, perhaps I made it in a roundabout way. Cooperating 100% means you don't consult with your attorneys first, it means you answer all questions, even if the answers are embarrassing or make you look bad. Attorneys exist to limit liability, to decide what questions NOT to answer. It appears -- and I emphasize appears -- that MB (and perhaps other casinos who interacted with the shooter) is not entirely forthcoming with information it may have.