Front Money for comps?

I guess people above already answered your questions.
The point is, for CP, the best property of CET, $400 a hand Baccarat means almost nothing,
they are not going to jump on you and offer you this and that.
Front money means even less to the casino.

 

How much of the generous treatment at Golden Nugget did you get? (suite, vip, cabana, Spa, RFB)

 

If you are rated at Golden nugget, and you are staying at Caesars Palace, reach out to the guys at URComped.com. They actually represent both of those properties. They would be able to pull your rated play at GN and use that to get you set up, upfront, at CP.

Easy as pie!

 

All I'm thinking is you're 49 with a 21 year old girlfriend. Atta boy

 

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For me a room is just a place to flop for a couple of hours and most of my Vegas trips were solo so often stayed at 4Q, Fremont,MSS and put in a lot of baccarat play at GN. Black chip action for a few hours in joints downtown always got me all the rfb comp and limo pickup.dropoff I could ever want. I haven't been to Vegas in a few years and a cat on another forum said he got good treatment at a joint on the strip in exchange for front money and reasonable action. I basically just want a nice experience for my gf, an evening out at a nice club, a good pool, and a joint with a nice, lively vibe.

 

Actually, it would be my intention to put in time at the baccarat tables while my gf would be pampered in the spa. Mini-baccarats shoes often take just 35-45 minutes to complete as opposed to full back tables where single shoes often take a couple of hours to finish where players can touch the cards.

 

At Ceasers palace, there's always good baccarat action; there are plenty of black chip players. Perhaps you should stick w GN if they are treating you right. Because at CP as many players have pointed out you may not get much.

 

I'm not married to the idea of going to CP. And, if the front money and level of play would be more appreciated at another joint, that would be fine. I just want some place on the strip with a nice pool and spa, for her.

 

Some side thoughts. A first time 21 year old will be impressed with just about anything in Vegas. Common wisdom often says to book anywhere because Vegas for a newbie is so overwhelming anyways.

But, if you want to really go classy, there is nothing like a balcony at Cosmo. The pool scene there is pretty good and the whole place is really cool. As to Spa - can not answer that one. Personally, I think CP is over rated, but it is a big place with great shopping attached - which might be a good thing? Wide range of food choices, etc.

The idea posted earlier about urcomped should be explored.

 

So, the consensus seems to be that CP would not be willing to offer me much in exchange for the front money and play I'm willing to offer. So, I wonder if less swanky joints like Flamingo or PH might be more generous in ponying up comps and amenities?

 

Like I said in a previous post, Front Money will not get you far. It is all about previous play and expected play. Front Money tell the casino nothing. I can bring $100k but still only gamble $3k. It just doesnt mean shit to them. BUT, if you are confident in your play, then you can be confident in your back end comps. Play a day or two and contact the host office. Get yourself a host and they will take care of the rest. I am by no means playing as much as you are saying you are, and my hosts take care of everything for me. I also never go in expecting a ton; I expect to get back what I am worth. Play for fun, get a little back as a bonus. If you go in counting on Comps, you are playing for the wrong reason.

 

Just play what you had planned to play and charge everything to the room. If your olay justifies your charges, then most if not all will be comped off the back end. After a night of play you can contact a host about upgrading your room as well if that's a concern of yours

 

Of that 50K what are you really willing to lose? Think of it this way, if you lose that 50K and they look at comps at 10% of actual loss instead of 30% of theoretical loss, that would be $5,000 worth of comps. On theo, you are generating about $2000 in loss per day based on 4 hours at $500 per hand ($1000 per hand is about $780 an hour), that's $600 per day in comps. I'm not sure what Caesars suite comp rates are, but let's say $300 a night, that's probably low. What kind of meals are you looking at, you are trying to impress your young girlfriend so I assume you are not talking cheap meals, so $100 per person without drinks. Spa treatments can get up in price, I would assume a half or full day of treatments is over $1000 using Aria pricing. Cabana pricing at Caesar starts at $400 for the day. Do you want a table at Omnia, that's another $1000. Limo is not really a big expense and should be doable.

So do you think you deserve everything that you are asking for your front money? No one is saying that 50K is not a lot of money, but the real key is how much are you really willing to risk. If you are not willing to risk it the casino doesn't care about your front money.

 

It is not so much as "not willing", but that it does not make much business sense. Folks could just put up front money and then play $100 and go home while the host/casino put out lots of money in comps, food, etc. Just does not make business sense to them. The stuff you have talked about could easily be $1000 ($2,000 retail). If you come play and the casio does not get at least $1000 back of your money, somebody is gonna be pissed. And, since you are an unknow, it does not make sense to do this.

Casinos will do upfront comps for folks based on the KNOWN history of play. That is one of the few bets/gamble a casino will take. That way they have a chance to get the money back that they promise upfront. Once you play they will provide some comps on the current stay, and then tease you to come back with offers for future stays.

Front money and promises mean nothing. You MIGHT find a host/casino that will negotiate a deal. If you play $xxxx for xxx hours for xxx days, I should be able to cover you room and xxxx at the end of your stay. Rooms upfront on this sort of deal do exist, though CP is a bit tougher than the rest of CET on getting anything.

 

I agree with the rest. Unless you have a history of play there is no way that most casinos would offer you squat, like others said they would tell you to put in play first, charge everything to your room and at the end of your stay they will evaluate your play and knock off your charges as they see fit.

No, other casinos like Flamingo or PH won't give you anything unless you have a history of play with them.

I don't see why you are hoping that some hotel casino will give you upfront comps, in this day and age they aren't as likely to give you anything unless you actually put in play. I think casinos had too many people who said they would put in play, etc. etc. for upfront comps but the casinos got screwed because the player didn't put in enough play so they aren't going to give upfront comps unless they know your previous play.

As others have said, you should check with urcompled to see if they can get your history of play downtown, then they may give you some upfront comps based on your play there.

 

OP, You have all the answers here.. I say play your 500 a hand for your 3-4 hours a day and give give then any front money. Call and talk to a host well before you go let him know what you are planning on playing, be honest, schmooze him some, tell him what you would like, then take whatever he offers which will be most likely a limo and casino rate up front with no confirmation of your play. That's my guess. Then just charge everything to your room. At 500 a hand or higher for 3-4 hours a day your room will be comped and some food (at GEEZERS). Again, bringing in 50k means nothing if you don't play to it. Welcome to VMB. I would say great luck to you but looks like you already have that with your 21 yo gf! You devil you!

 

Hunter is my host at PH and I get the Apex suite and full RFB every trip. If you ready previous reports of mine with the most recent being one that @BoostedRS started, I'm risking 25k+. So that can give you an idea of what it takes depending on the property

 

Sorry - but that is not the same, unless I missed something, but Hunter gives you comps based on your HISTORICAL PLAY. This person has no history.

 

You're right, but I was thinking as in future. I forgot where the op was going. Thanks for correcting me

 

Again, thanks for the feedback. I think I'll email the cat at PH and tell him what I will provide in front money and action. With an average bet of say 400$ and 70-75 bets per baccarat shoe I will give them a lot of turnover and cake at risk. And, I will leave what ever is leftover at the end of our trip to play with on future trips. And, yeah, I'm an unknown quantity for them so I don't expect much up front.