Leaving CET

Correct - the resort fee waiver is a diamond tier benefit and not part of the comp offer. They dont give resort fee waived offers for the most part based on play, which to me is a big advantage of MLife over CZR. They arent going to cut off my waived resort fee offers based on arbitrary TC numbers come February 1st, but Caesars definitely will. And other than Founders Card and Wyndham matching, if they don't do away with one or both of those, you wont be able to match again, and will be charged resort fees starting February 1st unless you surpass 15,000 TC between now and then.

ETA - the CZR structure is a clear advantage for people who play low but often, because you can still earn tier. For people who play higher and less often, MLife had a strong advantage in the resort fee category. They started waiving mine after 2 days of play. It took me 6 months and 4 trips to earn diamond with CZR and start getting them waived.

 

This is good info. Thanks McCann. I doubt I'll switch up to CZR permanently because my wife and I enjoy Aria and Mandalay properties the best. It will be a nice change of pace though and knock off another strip property stayed at and pool visited for us.

 

With Caesars, there are only three official ways to get the resort fee covered...

• be Diamond or above
• get a back-end comp based on play that trip
• pay it out of pocket yourself

 

Cosmo isn’t tailored to your style of gambling, but I am in a similar relationship where my girlfriend does no gambling. We used to go to the Wynn, but we gave the Cosmo a shot and have not gone to another hotel. If you are willing to do 50% slots/50% table games/VP you will get great offers.

Gambling aside, Cosmo in my opinion has the best environment for non-gambling visitors. The fact that you get 5x identity points for restaurants and spa spending is a huge plus for me as I enjoy gambling, but the food & drinks are what my girlfriend and I enjoy together.

 

In your situation, I'd try V/P, Wynn, and Cosmo in that order. Get a host's number from the websites and see if they'd give you a couple of nights based on your CET play, if not, pay for a room and see what you can get in back end comps.

Here are my opinions for the above order...ymmv:

1) I think V/P would be your best bet. I think it has the best options for a non-player and it's a beautiful resort. Great pool, great spa, great base room, great choice of restaurants from high end to food court, and great shopping in the Grand Canal Shoppes. Nice bars too (Cosmo's bars and drink service are slightly better). Service is almost on par with Wynn. Your table play would definitely be looked on more favorably than at Cosmo, but V/P is a VP wasteland, there are no good pay tables and not all that many machines on the floor. The VP bars are about average for the strip and the drinks are solid. It is honestly my favorite resort on the strip, but I stay at Cosmo most of the time because Chandelier...plus my wife is a slot degen and Cosmo has arguably the best slot players club on the strip. V/P has some pretty reasonable rates mid-week and if it was me alone, I'd probably pay to stay there and take whatever I got in back end comps. (I would wander down to Cosmo and Chandelier tho....)

Oh, change of ownership could be a wild card here

2) Wynn is top-notch all the way around, but... Shopping is mostly high end and I feel the same way about the dining choices. Although Fashion Show Mall is just across the bridge and V/P's dining and shopping are just across the other bridge. Decent VP in places, but the only bar with VP is the sport book. I think overall comps are the hardest to get at Wynn, but you'd do better there than Cosmo with your table play.

3) Cosmo - fountain view terrace, enough said. IMHO best drink service and bars on the strip, some great restaurants, best VP on the strip. Love, love, love Chandelier (in case that wasn't evident) and the fact that you can add drink tickets together to get better drinks at the VP bars. Not sure about the shopping, I only leave the bar to sleep and eat when I'm at Cosmo. But... Not much love for table players, only one casino so no wandering around, and while the VP pay tables are really good for the strip, they base the comps on the exact theo of the game you're playing, so you need monster coin in on VP. Also, it's a young vibe, not as classically classy as V/P or Wynn, and the pool scene reflects that, so that may or may not influence your decision. I'm an old fart and Cosmo's pools aren't my style because they're sleek and modern, but they're much, much nicer than most of the CET pools.

I like all three above better than Mlife offerings. Aria is very nice. Pool is great, some of my favorite restaurants on the strip, but they're pretty stingy on comps and I think all of the above have better rooms and overall resorts. Bellagio is showing its age, still very nice, and again great pool and restaurants, but it needs a refresh. Mandalay/Delano is just too far south and isolated for me, but it's a nice property. RiRa in the shops at Mandalay has an awesome Irish and Scotch whiskey selection! (so does Delmonico at VP)

That honestly surprises me a little. My wife and I have a similar bankroll (together) and are probably 75% slot (her...most of the bankroll!) and 25% VP (me) and we get 3 nights at VP, 4 nights at Cosmo, and about the same at Mlife. Our normal trip is 3 or 4 nights so it works! We don't play high denomination and have pretty high TOD, not sure how that impacts. We also stick to one casino family on each trip so our ADT doesn't get spread out.

All that of course is just my opinion based on what I like, but I hope the perspective is useful to you.

 

I am thinking in my next trip of trying Cosmo for a few nights to see what happens. Our only issue is your final point. We do like to bounce around for a change of scenery and with Cosmo we really can't and keep playing. That's what makes MLife and CET so much more preferable to me.

 

Question- Did Mlife waived the resort fee in their future email offers after the two days of play or did you see the host to get them removed?

 

posted this on the craps minimums thread, but the only CET with any 3:2 Blackjack open (excl. high limit) was Caesars at $25. Otherwise $10 6:5 everywhere, and also weirdly Flamingo with $25 6:5 lol

 

Mlife waives resort fee based on your PLAY. It is not a tier benefit. Sometimes a host can do it if your comp offer did not waive them.

 

Does MLife waive the fees based on your play at the resort you're staying at, or based on play across all the MLife properties?

 

All. Depending on your play level across all the MLife resorts (well, Vegas resorts at least, I'm still unclear how locals/AC play into this), you can get resort fees waived by tier (these tiers aren't officially published or anything, but I get varying amounts of Resort Credit for my offers, and it breaks down into these tiers, which seems to be pretty consistent):
Luxor & Excalibur are the lowest tier
NYNY & Park MGM used to be part of the lowest tier, but based on my current offers, it look like they separated them into a new tier of their own
MGM Grand, Mandalay Bay, Mirage as the next tier
Aria, Bellagio, Vdara as the highest tier

So basically, if you're just hitting the waived resort fee level, you'll see offers with waived resort fees for Luxor and Excalibur, but not the rest. As your play increases, the tiers you can get RFs waived at will also move. And you'll also start getting offers for suites following the same tier structure.

Hope that makes sense.

 

It does - thanks. We're making the jump from CET (Diamond) to MLife this summer. I got a nice offer from Aria we're taking - 4 comped nights over a weekend (we pay the resort fee, though).
CET cutbacks are getting a bit much.
We like to move around a fair bit - hence the question about getting the resort fee waived at the back end.

 

Also, if rates are high on certain dates you might not see any comped Mlife rooms at a property like Bellagio, all will have a cost and resort fees. I guess they really want to push you to other properties. I've only noticed that on a few weekends, but assume will vary by demand and your play.

 

They removed them in email offers the next time they sent offers after my 2 day trip to Bellagio, just at the lower end places at first, but everywhere else except Bellagio and Aria after my second trip. I never had a host until my last trip and usually theres nothing on my bill so no point in seeing an on duty host for backend.

 

All of them per market. I had them waived in Biloxi on my first offer, which was before I had ever stayed or played at a Vegas market MLife. They didnt waive in Vegas until after my first 2 night stay in Vegas, and like @nostresshere pointed out, that's based entirely on play and independent of tier, which is why I feel it's a huge advantage for people who play more than several hundred bucks a day and especially if they don't intend to spend a weekend every month in Vegas. No pressure there to earn tier points to keep your comps free; just maintain your play, which for me is what I would do anyway. For what it's worth, my current offers have fees waived at all their regionals I've never been to at this point, like Borgata and Gold Strike.

Edit - asterisk by "all of them" - they have their Vegas properties broken down in to sort of 4 tiers, and based on your play and history they may waive at just the lowest 2 lowest, 3 lowest, or all of them, so for example getting your fees waived on offers for Luxor and Excalibur doesnt mean you won't pay them at Bellagio. But it's based in property tier and play rating, and NOT based on the property at which you play

....and now I see Basil pretty well explained all that lol

 

Flamingo had one 3:2 table all weekend for $25 - it's directly to the left of the handicapped table. It backs up to Bugsy's Bar. It says 3:2 on the felt - they can't just change the sign for this one.

 

It was just a few months ago that I saw $15 3:2 BJ at Flamingo. I knew it was too good to be true. Should've played some while I had the chance.

 

So my home base is Cosmo and I am exclusively a table games player, specifically craps. I very rarely bet the middle stuff and generate plenty of Theo where so that my host routinely takes care back end comps. Offers are generally 3-4 nights at least a one bedroom suite with some resort credit. I guess one area the table games players lag at Cosmo compared to the slot players is that I don’t get any equivalent of free play.

So what are table games players getting at other equivalent resorts that makes others on this board continually say that table games players at Cosmo could do better?

 

that must have been closed this morning - all the Linq and Flamingo seems to have 6-5 on the felt now... brutal stuff.

I spoke to the cromwell staff where i am saying and the pit boss was like "hey man complain to everyone you can. front desk, host, survey the lot, we hate it." - right now im playing blackjack at caesars and then over to cromwell for the rest... getting my steps in... at least until wednesday when i am going to do a full MGM day and then thursday with a full Circa day... cannot wait tbh

 

I never doubted that table games earned comps at Cosmo, the problem i have with them for tables is that they don't give tier credits for it. They use a semi-manual process of evaluating table play for tier advancement, so it's not transparent.

And tier status has significant benefits at Cosmo.

I'll give you an example:

Let's say I play about half tables and half slots.

My slot play gets me a little more than half the tier points I need to reach Gold tier. It's easy to track, I know exactly where I stand on that.

Let's say I closely track my table play by asking for my rating from the box after every session. So I know that in terms of theo, I generated at least as much from tables as slots. If they automatically generated tier points for table play like everybody else, I'd be Gold or at least I'd know my progress.

Instead, table play goes into some black box process. They used to have a question about it in their FAQ but it's not there anymore. It said that table play was reviewed periodically for tier advancement. That's too loose a description and process for me, because:

• I don't know if I have to make tier entirely on table play, or whether I can half-and-half it like in my example above.
• I can't track my progress
• I don't know when or how often they do the review - what happens if I do a trip in the same month as my anniversary date and they don't get around to looking at it until the following month? I think they'd renew my status, but I don't know.

My gambling budget happens to coincide with making meaningfully beneficial tiers at CET and Cosmo, but not much more. So I can't afford to throw any of my play into the black box and just hope it works out. I'm good with just playing slots there, I still stay there every trip.

If the tier benefits don't mean much to you, then there's no reason I know of not to play tables there. I don't see a lot of complaints here about comps there from table players, but part of that could be that there just aren't that many of them, other than people who already know from experience that they play high enough that they'll make one of the higher tiers.