Table Games Craps the Packer Way

4Eyes beat me to it...If it's the same person, Packer indeed plays a heavy Doey-Don't system...
Great if they'll comp you on it, and you hit some 12's in there to make profit...
I did the same thing in Reno for years, getting way overcomped (not as big as packer; only $10 flat with 345x)
But it got BOOOORING, and id always end up playing other bets..and then lose money...

 

I'm not sure all places give you any credit whatsoever if you bet both sides at the same time. I know a supervisor at Bellagio told me that once. There was a poker player playing big on both sides and after he left, the supervisor told me they rated him at zero. But hopefully other places do give the player credit for betting both sides

 

ukfanatic, whats your strategy for craps??

The doey dont system will work on occassion if you tip well and play some other bets

 

In a word: dull. I play the don't about 75% of the time and the pass the other 25%. Always bet full odds and use negative progression when I hit a long cold streak.

 

I'm curious how they rate that play as well, let me ask

 

Why would they? Perhaps knowing the player would likely get bored and start with house edge bets?

 

Evsn if you were getting comped on the passline play and fhe critter didnt see the dont it would be worth it if you bet heavy.


Do most places count the odds intk your average as well? I have seen it both ways

 

On another note i have no idea why anyone would play this way. You may as well play nothing at all or just the 12.

 

I don't think there is any good reason why they would. I was just emphasizing that I can't say for sure that they do not (except at Bellagio, where the supervisor told me they do not count it).

 

I cannot imagine any scenario where they don't see someone repeatedly betting both the pass and don't pass. Hell, a dealer always asks me if that is what I meant to do if I even switch form one side to the other. They notice.

As for counting odds, the short answer is no, almost no places count the odds toward your average bet. The consensus on the Vegas strip is that Cosmo counts the odds bet (but other VMB members have reported that the formula Cosmo uses to calculate your craps theo is different, so it probably ends up the same as if you are not counting the odds). One other member reported that Caesars or another CET property counts the odds when calculating your average bet, but I don't think that has yet been confirmed by anyone else.

 

I did personally see Packer play his way today. He did pretty good, but I think it is essentially a modified don't system. So will do good when the table is cold like today. But a hot table will not be good, but I guess since most tables in vegas are cold, Packer will continue to win! But like I said in my TR, this system is not for me since I like the excitement of making multiple passes (I had a good moment of 3 passes in a roll, so it could have been a worse day). Also Packer's friend has the arm of death...can point 7 out at will....no wonder he plays dark side

 

Whether a place or a chain counts odds in your rating isn't really going to have any effect on your comps, there's no free lunch, rest assured they account for it.

So let's say you play at and MGM property and you play the pass line for $10 and two come bets for $10 and you put out max odds. The most you have on the table at one time is $170. MGM rates you at $30.

Now you do the same thing at a CET property. You get "rated" at $170.

1. CET knows how much of that $170 is odds, and it's not going to go towards your theo, and you aren't going to get the same comps as someone who puts $170 on the pass line. Of course, if the dice roll well, you make out better with the odds bets than with higher comps.

2. The fact that the box tells you you were rated at $170 at CET doesn't help you outside of CET anyway.