Table Games 6:5 BJ, Cosmo and now Wynn craps odds...what is next?

I didn't know the Strip properties are charging for parking. I thought self-parking was free.

 

He's hinting that garages are too crammed on the weekends. I park at less busy ones and walk myself.

10/8/5/3/1/1 Bonus has already started to appear unfortunately. That's what it is at the D Long Bar and the Venetian Sports Bar. Even some Stations casinos offer the game on their nickel units, which is even more shameful. Most CET bartops offer 8/5/4 Double Bonus now, which is also coincidentally 94.18%. Mirage and Excalibur bartops also offer that game. Those are still the lowest payback VP paytables I've ever found nationwide.

As for the thread's premise:

Bally's Jumbotron ten years from now...
"New 3 to 2 Single Deck Blackjack with Push 22!"

 

I remember a time when the airports had pay toilets. I am pretty sure it was a dime you had to put in to turn the knob. I remember we would hold the door open to let each other in so three or four of us could get in on the same dime.

I can see them adding a housekeeping fee if you want your room cleaned. I have been to some vacation cabin rentals where you had to pay extra if you wanted it cleaned during your stay-- I imagine that would kill the tips for housekeeping.

 

the house keeping thing sounds very likely

but my original question pertained to table games and by extension that includes VP

 

I could see them doing this if you're staying under a certain number of days they won't clean it. And, if you want it cleaned, you have to pay for it.

 

More casinos not comping drinks for bartop VP players (another Wynn innovation)
Penny slots turning into $0.02/$0.05 slots.
5:5 BJ
1x Craps

The good news is that greed does have a tipping point. If a casino tries to implement one of the above abominations then another casino will see it as an opportunity to advertise that they offer "xyz" instead and the market will (hopefully) dictate.

Chris

 

The housekeeping fee won't be a choice. It will be like a resort fee, one you will be required to pay.

I remember a time when many places had 2x odds on craps. Gamblers were becoming informed of which bets were better for them. Places started to advertise that they had 20x or even 100x odds. And eventually, 3, 4, 5x odds became the norm. Now that other forms of Vegas entertainment have surpassed gambling revenues (but not profit apparently; at least at CET), it seems that casinos are trying to make more money by increasing the house vig. The increase in patrons that come for the other forms of entertainment, will still gamble, and they won't know any better and play the games with high house edges. For instance you see many times where 6:5 BJ tables are full. The total amount that players (who don't have any idea of house-advantage) bet, outweigh the amount that casinos may lose because informed players will stop playing. I'm hoping that this won't be true in the case of craps, but we'll see.

 

nyny had 3:2 10.00 min. BJ 3 nights ago around 8 next to circle bar.

 

The dollar ante on any table game will surely come to fruition

 

Wouldn't it be easier just to do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEeqCbEFIJw

 

pretty certain that's what Aria did to me last time

 

I don't think an optional housekeeping fee will be introduced in a hotel anytime soon. Some Timeshare/Vacation Club places charge, but that is different. The owners pay a maintenance fee for the property. The unions would never go for this. if the fee is mandatory, then its just like a hotel raises its rates. If a hotel raises its resort fee $5 people seem to go crazy, but if they just raised their rates $5 instead no one would know. Its better for the casino to keep their base rate as low as possible and raise the resort fee.

 

I hope I'm wrong:

1. 2X Odds on craps everywhere
2. Pay for parking
3. End free drinks
4, Housekeeping fee

I wish there was more competition like the old days; with the current monopoly of CET and MGM, there is little reason to fight for customers. We keep showing up anyway, regardless of the changes they make to gambling rules.

 

What I can see actually happening in my lifetime?
1. A $1 "blind" bet on any blackjack hand. If you lose, then of course you lose the dollar. If you win by beating the dealer's hand, you're paid a win on the dollar. If the dealer busts or you push the hand, the blind is a push.
2. A $1 or $2 charge for cocktails at the tables. This will hurt CW tips more than anything else, but the casinos will make tons of extra cash.
3. 1x or 2x odds on most crap tables.
4. 6:5 becoming the "norm", with 3:2 only available in HL rooms or for carnival-blackjack games (Freebet, Switch, Superfun, Spanish) and on CSMs.
5. A small cover-charge on Friday & Saturday nights in order to enter a casino if you're not a hotel guest.

Sadly, I do think they could get away with these.

 

What's interesting, though, is that despite the CET/MGM "monopoly", it's Wynn, one of the handful of independent properties on the Strip, that's the outlier with things like 2x odds on craps and no free drinks at the VP bars.

 

I can't imagine free drinks ever going away. But I can see policies like Wynn's no bartop comps and certain CET properties charging for premium booze spreading.

And really, it kind of makes sense. I'd say that 3/4 of the bartop "players" I see just put in their twenty, play a few single credit hand, get their drink, cash out and leave. And premium booze doesn't make you any drunker than the cheap stuff.

Perhaps future slot machines will spit out free drink coupons every time you hit a certain number of points. When the CW comes around you either have to pay or present a coupon. They would have to make the threshold for earning a drink low enough that even low rollers could still get their free drink on, but high enough to keep the freeloaders from playing three 4¢ spins and getting their drink.

 

I assume it is the draw of the property more than the gambling options / conditions which make these changes so harsh. There are properties in Las Vegas with better vp / bj / craps odds / payouts than those listed in this post. However they (the properties) are not the level of Wynn in hotel / casino space; level of competence of the employees; amenities offered on property. Change is / can be sad but inevitable.

 

Yep - I cannot see the free booze going away either. The casinos know that if everyone was sober their profits would take a nosedive. The sweet nectar of beer has caused me plenty of "gimme a hundred on the hard eight" missteps. If I was sober no way I would be doing that routinely.

lol at the idea of the machine tallying credits for free drinks...that is something I could definitely see them doing. "You're four credits away from a free drink!"

 

CET already kind of does this outside of Las Vegas. At Harrah's New Orleans if you don't want Bud or Miller draft it's $2. ANYTHING in a bottle is an upcharge, not just craft. Coors in a bottle $2. ANY liquor calls are upcharged. You can get "bourbon and diet" or "whiskey and coke" but if you want Jack Daniels, that'll be $2.