Natedog TR Live? Wynn 6/21-6/28

Good morning! Off to golf 7am tee off

 

Have a great round, look forward to more updates later!

 

Whatever you're comfortable with, really. The ante is definitely better odds than trips, so theoretically 0%. I personally always bet trips equal to my ante, though I only play $10-15 per circle unless I'm up and pressing. On the other hand, most "serious" UTH players don't play trips at all.

While winning your 4X ante bets is key to staying afloat, my biggest wins have all been when I'm hitting a decent number of flushes and full houses, with a occasional quad. Trips definitely increases the volatility, but increases the excitement as well! Since its only a secondary game for you that you play well under your normal levels, I would bet it equal to your ante.... just my two cents.

 

Quick question. Can Planet Hollywood accommodate a player of nates caliber? I wonder if special limits would be possible.

 

Been fun reading your TR. Getting me ready for my Lake Tahoe Trip. Only thing I like at the Wynn is the rooms, golf course and restaurants. Since you meet your Theo for your plane ticket Might be a good idea to change. Palazzo has been hit or miss with me. I'm still a Caesar's, Wynn, Cosmo, Bellagio.

I'm interested to see how you like PH if you go there.

Either way keep up the report, are all waiting to read about it.

 

Are all your golf rounds at the Wynn? If you're playing other courses could you give some feedback on the course conditions and friendliness of the staff?

 

I would agree with this, the trips bet is like any other side bet you see where it has a high house advantage. But I also agree that it adds excitement to the game. I also will usually just match my trips bet with my ante bet. Just easier if I am betting $25 ante to throw another $25 chip on the trips.

Also the strategy that grosx2 put here is definitely what you should follow. The swings in this game will be insane but following that strategy maximizes your EV.

 

When I play 25 ante, i usually bet 15 on trips. Lately, i have been playing 50 ante and 25 on trips. Whenever i win a trips, i increase it by one betting unit for the next hand. I have won 5 in a row before, sp pressing works well when you are hitting...sucks when you do not. Sometimes, when the trips are dry, I will just play it every third hand, for 50. If it hits, I let it ride, if it misses, I wait the next third hand to bet it again. Surprisingly, this way has worked out well for me, except for a couple times where I missed out on quads...but I have hit a few nice straight flushes with this third bet and pray strategy.

If you want to try another fun carnival game, try High Card Flush! Crazy4 is also fun!

 

I have been wondering about this. No doubt PH will promise him the world including negotiation of higher table limits to get him through the door. He may well enjoy the casino atmosphere as well as being the biggest fish--I hope he does well and enjoys it. BUT, I seriously doubt the hotel can come through with the service level he now takes for granted since they are simply not used to seeing players at his level. It will be very interesting to see how this develops, and my guess is that CET will try to nudge him toward CP where they have more to offer a very high end player.

 

I agree. However I'm not so sure they will let him play to his level. At a property like PH, there are not enough players to comfortably offset someone like Nate who could have potential to do some real damage to them if he gets on a hot streak. They simply can't fade his action.

Places like the Wynn, mgm, Venetian and Caesars have nate-caliber players and won't sweat their play. Ironically I see the Cosmo thrown into here, but they do not like big action. I know personally, they worry when a mid six digit line comes in to play. Who knows, maybe Blackstone will get some real casino managers in there soon.

I was just curious about PH as well, but just wondered about the limits. If anyone personally has info on this, would be greatly appreciated. I like the vibe of the casino which is like the Cosmo but a little less pretentious.

 

At a property like PH, there are not enough players to comfortably offset someone like Nate who could have potential to do some real damage to them if he gets on a hot streak. They simply can't fade his action.

Another reason they will try to steer him toward CP, where they will still deal a $50,000 max blackjack game to anyone off the street.

 

So today was a good golf game, won again though Maverick put up a decent fight with 5 pars and a birdie. However this bunker shot failed...

 

Heading to the Cosmo now....my Korean hosts are eagerly awaiting me....

 

Since we are one big Enterprise, any limits at Caesars are good at PH. We can also go through approvals to accommodate any player. MGM properties do not have that flexibility since they are considered their own separate entities.

 

Tear em up Nate! Haven't been back there in over a year since they jacked up all the bj games.

Also CP got rid of the $50k bet earlier this year. Only for 7 digit line and above, but from nates reports, he more of a craps, roulette, and baccarat guy.

 

Mini rant time

Comparison between the Wynn and everywhere else, the Wynn is so strict and crazy with their rules, let me know if somebody else has a different experience:

1. Can't comp retail, not even golf balls!
2. My FM I can't withdraw cash, it is my money wired in...
3. Hosts are not as nice since million dollar players are a dime a dozen.
4. Theo or loss mistakes are NEVER in your favor

 

My whole reason for wanting to try out the lower level casinos is that I think although the Wynn is nice and all, the hosts take you for granted because they have so many million dollar players in their book

 

Here's cheap bastard K worth 200m betting quarters and doesn't tip the maid on a daily basis.

 

Nate, I have never tried to comp retail at Wynn and I don't play at a level where I have to worry about theo or actual loss records (although I have noticed my annual win/loss statements form there are nowhere close to accurate). I will say that my host is a nice guy, but doesn't go out of his way for me and is not generally as available as my hosts at other properties. I'm not badmouthing him. He's a very friendly guy. But you're right about the level of players at Wynn. They have a lot of big players (and I include you in that group; although I know there are different levels of players once you reach that threshold). My level of play is a dime a dozen there. So my host gives me some nice stuff up front and that's usually the last I hear from him. I have stayed away from Wynn for a while because last September they screwed up my bill/comps related to the spa. It was extremely frustrated and wasted a lot of my time trying to straighten it out. I will stay there again, I'm sure, but I get a sense of what you're talking about. I recall a former member of this Board once had a very bad experience at Wynn trying to retrieve his FM as well.

I have stayed at Cosmo much more than Wynn the past year because my host takes good care of me. I get retail comps, a decent amount of promo chips, and my host is constantly checking in on me (invitations to events, private parties, taking me to dinner, etc.). I know (recall the message I sent you a couple weeks ago) your host at Cosmo is very interested in your business! Let them go out of their way for you. Sounds like you hit things off well with Hunter. Personally, I am very happy with my various MGM hosts, but clearly they have mistreated you. So my unsolicited two cents is to give Cosmo and PHo more of your play for a while and see what happens. Go be the big fish in a smaller pond!

 

1. only way to comp retail is for them to get you cash for your play. I had them do that where Went to the cage signed a comp for cash. I told the Host what I wanted and that was the only way.
2. I'm able got get cash for FM at Caesar's. I have not tried at the Wynn.
3. I'm a small fish so I do not get much of a response from the host. I get better response from the Pit Boss to issue comps or have the Pit call a host for comps.
4. Yea the Theo you have to watch. I always check with the Pit when I leave and ask them how long and what did he put as my average. That is when you can get them to change it.

Only time I had a problem was at the Wynn. I actually had to have them call Surveillance to verify my lost since there was a PIT crew change and they did not record my cash buy in after the marker. I show a lost and hey show a win. But the only place to get that corrected is at the tables since that is where the data is put in for rating.

Having Surveillance do it is big Pain as it takes them hours to pull and watch the tape for how much you bet and win loss.

They had it right the next day. But I could have avoided it buy just making sure the table put in the right date.