Video Poker Vue Bar Questions

1) How many machines do they have? I never actually counted even though I've been playing there for the past 5 years.

2) I'm a $0.25 player. According to vpfree2, the denominations they offer are $0.25, $0.50, and $1. Do they offer $2? I'm thinking about doing that RoyalFlusher strict rules of parlay.

3) Also it looks like the progressive is ONLY at the $0.25 level? So once I go to the $0.50 level the Royal, SF, 5-K quads won't also double? They will just go to 4000, 250, and 125?.

 

1) Ack... I'm not positive. Maybe a dozen?

2) No.

3) No progressives at 50c+, so I strongly recommend not playing for more than quarters at that bar. 4 Queens Double Double Bonus would be a better option for a parlay, imo. Or Boar's Head Bar's 9/6 JoB at MSS.

 

$2 is available on the uprights in front of registration. Play those to add another level to the parlay.

However, take care to maintain strict rules, else no flusher card for you.

 

Wow. Don't know if this is a joke or not. I don't know if Royal Flusher is on this forum at all anymore. If he is, perhaps he can weigh in on whether he considers switching to worse pay tables a profitable utilization of this parlay stuff. The betting level itself doesn't have a positive or negative effect on the game's EV, even if someone names it after himself, UNLESS someone decides to switch to worse pay tables.
For those who still want to use a self named betting system, I'd like to offer you Wasilla's Strict Rules of Steaming. If you lose your first hundred on quarters, play a hundred at .50c. If you win the hundred back you can drop back to quarters, if you lose the second hundred go to dollars, 2 dollars, 5 dollars, multiline, $25 …. , etc. At some point you will usually win the original $100 back and can switch back to quarters. You will have far less losing sessions under this strict rule. Of course the fewer losing sessions that you do have will be f...ing huge. I say you because I'm just naming this system, I'm never going to use it.

 

It is a half joke. You must not be a reader of dear Flushiepants. Many of his “strict rules of parlay” plays are on the 8/5 BP machines at the Cal.

This is the exact pay schedule available on the uprights in front of registration at the D. This is the only area I know of at the D where you can get $2 8/5 BP. It is not switching to a worse schedule. Personally, I try to get as much of my play as possible on the progressives to get that advantage. However, I have friends that prefer higher denominations and less play time. No judgement here. Singer away until you win.

 

Hopping onto this thread....do the Vue Bar and the big bar downstairs at the D have video BJ on their machines?

 

I know the Vue bar does, I'm pretty sure the Long Bar does as well but I rarely play there. I don't know what the rules (3:2, S/H17, etc.) are though.

 

I haven't been on the board that long, but discovered that I loved reading his trip reports and went back and read several. He is very entertaining. There are games where one can follow those rules W/O influencing their EV. I think of this as harmless. It raises volatility because it is possible to win on quarters and lose on dollars, but it is pretty exciting when the reverse happens.
As Tring suggested earlier, the D isn't the place for this. The Vue bar has a good game (8/5 BP with a 3 way progressive for quarters and only quarters). It's easy to under rate this progressive as a lot of realized return comes through rapidly changing 4OAKs and an occasional SF. I did a TR in which I tediously recorded my results for playing this game at the Vue and GG for 8,000 hands each. Normal 8/5 BP is a different animal from their 3 way progressive.
I personally don't recall an instance of RFer reducing his EV to follow his rules and can't imagine that being a wise playing strategy, hence my post.

Before the remodel, Vue had BJ for dollars.

 

Thanks for Tring and Wasilla on the info on the progressives and not doing the parlay with those machines.

But it sounds like the D does have some BP downstairs near registration that I could partake if I so choose.

 

My guess is they are the average rules.

BJ 2 for 1 (1 to 1)
1 deck (better) or 2 decks (worse)
S17
Double on 10, 11
Split once
Surrender allowed on bets of 2 credits or more (you should only surrender on an even credit bet as it rounds down)
And either
6 card Charlie (better)
or
Dealer must stand on 6 cards (worse)

They can exist, but I've never seen a game king pay 5 for 2 (3 to 2) on BJ in an actual casino. That version is like 9/6 JoB payback level.

 

3:2 video blackjack is rare in my experience. The only 3:2 video BJ I know of in Downtown Vegas is at the El Cortez.

 

On game kings? Or the multi unit things? Ive seen it on the multi units before, but never a game king.

 

At El Cortez I have seen 3:2 BJ only on multi-unit things with the sexy video dealers.

 

All hinges on your calculation of EV, and it means to you.

 

Hmmm. I do realize that some people care more about EV than others. When playing off FP on .25 8/5 BP on the D floor, I mention to neighbors that the game at the Vue bar is better. One guy immediately moved and became my new best friend and a couple of others stayed put. I've sat next to several people at Vue who where playing .25 7/5 JOB. I generally mention the advantages of switching to BP, but most don't want to switch.
I don't understand what you mean about hinging on how EV is calculated. At MSS's Boars Head Bar, a lot of people play 9/5 DDB at the bar when they could play 9/6 DDB on the floor. The only reason I've ever heard given for this is that the bar players much prefer the atmosphere and drink service at the bar. Fair enough. It turned out that 9/5 DDB players also get a lot more tier credits. I can see how that could factor into EV at times. They also have scratch cards, but MSS and Boyd is a special case.
If we are at the D, both of us calculate a game's EV, and we come up with separate answers... at least one of us miscalculated. Right? I'm not pretending that I know the math. I generally just use approximations of a progressive's EV that I've gotten from others., but sometimes I actually write down the numbers and enter them into Wizard of ODDs and I get an actual number.

 

OK

Do you simply look at the number of $ you are projected to be ahead at the end of your play?

Or

Do you calculate on a per hour basis?

And

How do you value extra food, extra mp’s, and better rooms available for playing more than you could possibly jam in on quarters?

I know people that look at each.

 

Hi, new member here. I ran into ‘Theoldcoach’ at the 4Q a couple of days ago, and he was nice enough to give me some information about the 4Q and D. Also he was telling me about how he was a member of this board, so I joined up. I do most of my stays and plays at the 4Q and the D. Both places have some really good plays.

Late to the party here, but I do have info on EV for the VUE bar at the D.

The first VP software I ever bought about 20 years ago was WINPOKER. I think it was marketed by either Bob Dancer or Jean Scott. It was good then, and really good now for your iPhone. You can plug most common games into it with whatever payout you want, and within a few seconds get a EV return. And, if you are not sure how to play any particular hand, you can plug it in and get a list of holds for that hand in order by highest EV.

Anyway, I used it to run a couple of EV of the game 8/5 with the progressives. On a Bonus Poker where ONLY the Royal is progressive, it has to get up to around $1,4000 to get to 100%. But..........the Beauty of this game is the progressive on the 5-K 4ok. NOT COUNTING the progressive on the Royal and the straight flush, the machine goes positive when the 5-k 4ok gets to around $38! I have hit many of these when it was over $40, and several when it was over $50! It’s really nice to play a ‘close to’ or over 100% game that doesn’t require me to HAVE to hit the Royal!

Anyway, that’s all I wanted to contribute.
I’ve already read lots of posts from a lot of you with good insight. I hope to do lots of reading and posting here!

Thanks!
Mike

P.S. I have some wild stories on playing video BJ (3:2) on Game Kings from several years back, if anyone is interested.

 

Please do.

 

A couple local casinos had 5 for 2 on bartops for a while.... those were good times!

 

I got my first royal at the vue bar (holding two to a royal, progressive paid about $1080 and was hand paid despite no W2G requirement) and they comp good beer. If you want to play 8/5 BP at quarters it's definitely not the worst place.