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Wynn // Encore casino host needed

Discussion in 'Comps' started by victoorious, Jul 4, 2020.

  1. victoorious

    victoorious Tourist

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    Hi guys!

    So I have been playing at Palazzo // Venetian for years now and am pretty happy with my host, but am thinking about moving over next door to wynn // encore just for a change of scenery.

    At Palazzo, they usually comp me a bigger suite with some free play and food, and at the end of the trip, they comp most of the room charges.

    I am a blackjack player averaging from $350-500 per hand about 3 - 4 hours per day. I usually am just there from Friday to Sunday.


    Can anyone recommend me a host over at the wynn? Usually those type of plays, what type of comps would you see at the wynn? was hoping some comped golf tee times.

    Thanks!
     
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  2. ardee

    ardee It's only money.

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    You'll need to put some actual play on the books to get what you're looking for upfront at Wynn. Especially the golf tee times.
    Check at the host desk or email and ask about a referral. They're all good.
    Best of luck to you.
     
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  3. victoorious

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    cool thanks. yeah I was just hoping to get in contact with one prior to maximize anything possible haha.
     
  4. JulianC

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    What type of suite do you usually get at Palazzo? Friday through Sunday -- are you also playing 3-4 hours on check-out day?

    On 3:2 BJ, if you average $500 per hand for 4 hours per gaming day, you are generating $700 of theo per day if the hold (house edge/advantage) is counted as 0.5% and $1400 of theo per day if they are being generous and counting hold as 1 percent. Presuming comp value to be 30% of hold, you would be getting somewhere between $200 and $425 per day in back-end toward your suite and charges to your suite. The casino rate for a room is usually no higher than 70% of the lowest regular advertised rate (without any special retail discounts) for that specific day. Most of us here estimate the casino rate to be in the 60-70% range, but I will go with 70% here to be safe. We know that your play is at least "earning the room" -- so you are "earning" at least a Premium King suite on a typical weekend -- maybe even a Grand One Bedroom on a less-busy weekend. Since you said that you are getting only most room charges comped off (and not 100%), I am leaning toward...
    • the hold on your BJ action being counted as closer to 1% than to 0.5% (otherwise, you would not be truly "earning" suite upgrades -- but perhaps getting them as a courtesy / discretionary comp)
    • a Premium King being your usual suite type if you tend to charge at least $75 per day in food and other amenities to the suite
    • any suite larger/better than Premium being booked for you upfront largely based on continued loyalty (and the hope for higher-volume play out of you)
    I believe that you need to qualify for a comp in at least the Tower Suites at Wynn/Encore in order to be in the league to be a hosted player with Wynncore. On a typical weekend, your action would "earn" you a base-level Tower Suites room (either Wynn or Encore), but likely nothing upgraded above that. On a less-busy (cheaper / less-expensive) weekend, you might just be able to "earn" an upgraded Tower Suites room at Wynn but still only a base-level Tower Suites room at Encore. I have heard reports here on VMB that Wynncore will not even consider any back-end comps beyond the room unless your average daily theo (ADT) is at least $750 -- and that is just for their lowest-level rooms. If they are tighter about generated theo for blackjack than V/P, you would probably be earning your non-Tower Suites room but not getting a host.

    As @ardee mentioned, you are less likely to get a comparable front-end offer with Wynncore from just a referral or offer match (unlike Cosmo for sure, and maybe V/P) -- but you can still try. For a golf comp at Wynn, it would certainly take a lot less theo than Shadow Creek through MGM (who would be looking for easily 2-5 times your ADT). When the Wynn course re-opened last fall, rates were as much as $550 per round. Even if the casino rate were to be as low as $375 per round, you would need at least another $1250 in generated theo (or at least another 3-4 hours of BJ at $500 average bet) just to "earn" that round. Unlike Shadow Creek, you can at least make a reservation yourself (or through a concierge) and pay "retail" for it. With Shadow Creek, you have to earn access to tee times through your casino play. Basically, you have to be Mlife Noir, and consider any accommodations less than the best suites at Bellagio to be slumming it.
     
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  5. victoorious

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    wow this is some awesome information!

    I tend to normally get Premium King Suite at the palazzo comped with $500 FP and $200 Food and beverage credit to start the trip. and then they comp room charges based on my play. but yes, I usually tend to play about 3-4 hours also on check out day.

    So recently I picked up the bug of golfing and was weighing out my options to see if I should move to Wynncore. but was not sure based on my play if I would even get that.

    normally between the two properties, does one have a better comp program, or are they about the same..

    thanks again, you provided some valuable information!
     
  6. JulianC

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    Other guesses...
    • you stay at V/P often enough with your level of play to at least be approaching Grazie Platinum (the machine play equivalent to make Platinum is about $12.5k of theo per year)
    • ... and you take advantage of the 3 pm late checkout that comes with Platinum
    • you get your checkout day play in before checkout
    • you usually drive to Vegas, and you leave later in the day on a Sunday to avoid some of the congestion on the I-15
    If all of that is correct, then I hope that your checkout day play is counted for back end comps. If it is not counting, then you might want to play elsewhere on checkout day (like next door, to seed). By my estimates, you are getting about $100-150 comped off beyond your front-end offer.

    I believe that V/P allows you to choose your free play in the form of either machine or table play. I believe that Wynncore only does FP in the form of machine play. For your ADT, you would be getting more machine FP with Wynncore and probably the same resort credit -- maybe a tad more.

    I have been hearing for months now that the Wynn Rewards program currently in place at my closest local, Encore Boston Harbor (three tiers, with tier progression being based on theo just like V/P), is coming to Vegas in 2021. Not sure what the Vegas tier benefits would look like, but I would expect them to compete with V/P and Cosmo. At EBH, it's $5600 of annual theo to make the middle tier and $56k of annual theo to make the top tier. EBH has had earned comp dollars (in addition to points, for machine play) even before Wynn Rewards started in January 2020, and comp dollars are earned at a rate of 10% of theo across all games in the casino except for live poker (which is in its own universe for comps). If the same comp dollar system makes its way to Vegas, then you might need to give Wynncore a serious look. With Grazie, you do not get any Resort Comps for table play the way you do for machine play (for regular slots -- 6% of theo for base Grazie, 9% for Gold, 12% for Platinum) -- and the Wynn Red Card currently does not do any spendable resort credits/dollars for anyone in Vegas. New Wynn Rewards -- if it fully resembles EBH -- would give you about $400 of extra resort credit (beyond your offer) for your usual per-trip BJ action -- but like with CET and MGM, that would probably have to be depleted before you can start getting additional back end.

    Right now, both with V/P and Wynncore, your table game play can only take care of you on the back end. You are already smart to concentrate your play where you are staying -- and to also do dining, etc. on-property. V/P and Wynncore are definitely the most compatible with how you like to enjoy Vegas. At the moment, you are probably better off keeping a good thing going with V/P, but keeping an eye out on what's happening next door.
     
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    Golf is a very tough comp and would typically be considered only for those who play at RFB in a suite level...

    The other poster was right on, your play is probably at the “base room in Tower Suites” level for Wynn with some food and bev taken off on the back end. A big loss at those levels would get all your food and bev picked up, on a winning trip with comps based on Theo probably not.
     
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    This isn’t true about playing Shadow Creek. I’ve played it twice (2019, and 2017) and am not a Mlife Noir. The only requirements that were placed on me was I had to be a guest at one of the MGM hotels, and had to be mon-Thursday. I checked into a comped Aria night and played the next day. Didn’t even stay at the aria on said night. Just stayed at CP since I’m a 7-star there.
     
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  9. ardee

    ardee It's only money.

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    .........................

    When speaking of Tower Suites, are you all talking about paying upfront and then having it taken off the back end?
    Unless one has an inside contact or enticement from a marketing offer or host, that's not gonna happen without a history of play at Wynn. I'm talking about being comped up front.

    Sign up for a Red Card, establish play, get to know a host or marketing rep and then Tower Suites might be there for you as an offer along with other possible comps.
    I'd be interested in knowing those who have gotten a Tower Suites room comped otherwise.

    Very different from getting an up front comped basic Wynn room, being wonderful on its own, by the way.
     
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  10. victoorious

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    wow. you guys are extremely knowledgable about all this stuff!

    Yeah my main hopes if I were to switch to Wynncore was to hopefully get some golf rounds comped. but after reading, it seems that with my base of play it doesn't seem possible?

    Thanks again for all this useful information!


    im a gold at grazie, im assuming its because I don't play any slots at all.. I strictly stick with black jack.

    and correct, I normally text my host when I am heading to the airport and then she decides how much to take off.

    so this is what normally consist of my V/P trips

    -Limo transfer to and from airport
    -premium king suite
    -$500 in table free play
    -$200 food and beverage

    and at the end. I usually get like $600-$1000 off room charges.

    thanks again fellas.
     
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