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WWYD - Poker hand this weekend (1/3 NLHE in Pittsburgh)

Discussion in 'The Poker Room' started by TRN, Oct 15, 2017.

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  1. NeonTurtle14

    NeonTurtle14 Hot Dogs and Buns

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    Made a trip to Pittsburgh for a wedding this weekend and had some time to kill at Rivers - really nice poker room there, maybe the nicest in the midwest. Got into a fun situation and want to see what you'd do here.

    In this hand, hero is in UTG+1 and villain is in late position. We're doing a round of straddles ($6), and occasionally someone is also putting in a blind raise in UTG+1 since double-straddle isn't allowed - this amount varies by person when it is done (can blind raise any amount, most in the 12-20 range, just no option for that bettor if no one else raises after the blind raiser).

    Hero has ~$250, and has a table image of fairly LAG within the first hour. In the UTG+1 position for this hand, hero puts out a blind raise of $20.

    Villain sitting on ~$600, and is a tight solid player. Younger guy/kid, seems like he's been playing there for several hours (scruffy beard and then some, tired red eyes). In the hour I've been there at this point, I've seen this player hit a ton of sets and boats with his pocket pairs - maybe 3 within my first hour there.

    In this hand, hero gets dealt pocket 55 and has the blind raise in on this straddled board. Before there's any action there's $30 in the pot (1 + 3 + 6 + 20).

    Action folds around to V who raises to $50. Blinds fold, original straddler folds, hero sees his pocket pair and decides it's worth the call, since V could be raising with any decent hand and feel like he's got the lead and position. Pot: $110.

    Flop: 6 3 3 (rainbow)

    Hero checks, V bets $50.

    What does hero do here?
     
  2. scohitch

    scohitch Low-Roller

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    Raise it to 110 to see where you are. This flop hits your random range more so than Vs range. I then shove on any card under 10 on the turn.
     
  3. meyers67

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    Preflop, I think your decision was fold or raise. Calling was a little speculative out of position.

    Post flop, you need to go with your gut. If you were ahead preflop, you are ahead now. You can’t let him hit an overcard. So push or fold.
     
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    I would fold preflop. If he wasn't a solid player I might have called but he is. I would also fold post flop and forget about it.
     
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  5. NeonTurtle14

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    ...picking back up...

    Hero decides it's suspicious that V is still betting, and opts to make the call. Pot is now $210. Hero has ~$150 behind by now. (note: I agree raise or fold would have been better than calling)

    Turn: 6 3 3 2

    Hero action?
     
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    I no longer play poker in casinos, but if it were me, looking at 6-3-3-2, I'd check... and raise if he bets.
    This kid is probably sitting on an Ace with a J, Q or K.
    Sure, he might catch on the river, but his chances are no better than yours.
    If he's betting on a 6 pre-flop, you should be able to buy it. His post-flop bet (my guess) is due to his (likely) Ace kicker.

    So - I'd call on his pre-flop bet (as you did) and I'd check-raise on his next $50 bet...call if he re-raises.
    If the river is a 2-through-10, keep check/raising.
    If it's a J or better, I'd check...fold if he bets... but that's me.
     
  7. kps

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    You have $100 in the pot with roughly $150 behind you at this point.

    You have him as a tight solid player. $50 into a $30 pot pre flop gets my curiosity to call. $50 by him into a $110 pot after the flop, 45% pot bet, has me concerned. Personally, I didn't hit my low pair and I would have folded with his bet.
    Check calling the turn at this point is moot.
    I'm curious as to what you have him on at this point.
    For me it's shove now or check fold if he bets as I think he will bet $90-100 at this point.
     
  8. NeonTurtle14

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    ...picking back up....

    Hero checks, V pushes all in.

    Hero action?
     
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    You got another wad of hundreds in your pocket?? I smell a reload...:poker:
     
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    Hero calls but looses.
     
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    Fold... unless you pull a 5 on the river, or you think V is just trying to buy it, the 'all in' is just too much for 5s.
     
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    ...except that he may very well just be playing his position, and going hard on an Ace with a pair on the board.
     
  13. NeonTurtle14

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    Hero is thinking about what to do... and V becomes very vocal. He makes a comment "if you are still thinking about it, then I know I'm good and you should just fold".

    ???
     
  14. Nevyn

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    It is tough to put wwyd logic into a fun hand at a casual table.

    Because the real answer would be if you were being serious, blind betting 20 with 42 'blinds' effective in a straddle pot is a bad idea. And also that you should not be calling pre.

    Once you have done all those things, you are in a pickle. That is almost the perfect non-set board for your hand. If we're folding to a less than half pot bet, why did we call pre?

    But this is also a spot where you'd love to have a deeper stack, to run deeper plays or float a street.

    I think on the flop you have to call. A raise seems tempting, because even the bluffs you could be milking have a lot of outs. But a raise only makes sense if you think you can get mid range overpairs to fold. And for that pot size, I think you are getting called.

    Which means we can't afford to let his bluffs get off cheap. And that means call the flop, and depending on the turn and river, we are either check calling or check folding (if an A or K hits).

    The turn is perfect for you, hitting no overcards, and giving you some extra equity. X/C unless you are sure this villain would not barrel with overs.

    Could end badly, but that all comes back to pre. When you start off that short, you are going to have to accept looking bad now and then.
     
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    Reverse psychology. He's goading you into a call therefore he thinks he has you beat.
     
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    That's a valid point. I have one more good hand from a 'good' 2/5 NLHE game I will post next once we work through this one, which didn't involve any shennanigans.
     
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    So no floor called over on this one? Where's the fun in that?

    I'll add: I don't know how you guys remember the play by play on these hands so well. I clearly was right to stop trying to play Hold'em because I can not keep that much info straight in my head. When you guys describe the hand and some of the posters respond with detailed opinions on the hows and whys of it all I wonder how I ever thought I even had a chance. I read these threads mostly in an attempt to absorb some of this knowledge.
     
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    I believe TRN and many serious players take notes on the hands.

    I don't (keep telling myself I will and don't) and suck with details.

    As for individual plays, it is actually way easier to break down and analyze than it is to play live, because you are separated from the emotion and urgency of it. Which is also why it is important. You get better at making the decisions live the more time you spend off table thinking about what does and doesn't make sense. Looking at a hand like this I can tank and sort through my thoughts and run the numbers as long as I want without expectant stares at the table and a villain watching me.
     
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    ...picking back up...

    Hero decides to fold, and folds 55 face up, in hopes V will reciprocate.

    V says "wow you had a pair on a blind raise, good lay down" and shows his AA as he scoops the pot.
     
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    Yes I always have a notebook I am scribbling these noteworthy hands into. Most of them never see the chat board here, as they are more for self study, but once in a while I'll put a star at the top of some that are worthy of sharing/discussing. On the off chance I don't have the notebook I am keying interesting hands into my phone like a mad man the hands (and of course that's always when I get 2-3 good hands in a row).

    And Nevyn's point about separating the post-analysis from the emotion of being there is key... do it enough times and you start to be able to formulate better approaches when you're really under pressure.
     
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