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Video Poker Why Do You Play Deuces Wild VP?

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by Jimbucc, Sep 11, 2015.

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  1. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    No. Using the wrong strategy between these two games costs 0.01% or less. "Airport/Illinois" is slightly more robust if you play both games equally. NSUD might be slightly easier to learn though. The biggest change I noticed, when a pair is a straight penalty to a 3 to a SF no gap (eg. 88 vs 567 suited), you hold the pair in Airport, and always hold 3 to SF no gap vs. pair in NSUD.

    But you definitely don't want to use Full Pay Deuces strategy at NSUD...costs 0.96%. Using NSUD at Full Pay costs you 0.45%.

    Full Pay:
    http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-44-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-2-d-2-d-3-d-5-d-9-d-15-d-25-d-200-d-800/

    NSUD:
    http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-44-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-2-d-3-d-4-d-4-d-10-d-16-d-25-d-200-d-800/

    Airport/Illinois:
    http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-44-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-2-d-3-d-4-d-4-d-9-d-15-d-25-d-200-d-800/
     
  2. wanker751

    wanker751 Dutch Rudder Enthusiast

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    I agree tim... my first trainer I had on my phone. Job, full pay 2's, and 10/7db.

    Of the 3 deuces was the my worst game even though I always played it. Since that I dropped it off my list.
     
  3. wanker751

    wanker751 Dutch Rudder Enthusiast

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    So it seems I should focus on IL for a 1 size fits all for the two.

    Full pay I will attempt as well.
     
  4. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Yeah, the differences between the two are pretty clear.

    And if you ever want to gamble it up at El Co..."Downtown Deuces" (100.92%)...but it's a double deuces game ($500 for deuces)...so variance is 56.11.

    http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-44-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-2-d-2-d-3-d-4-d-13-d-16-d-25-d-400-d-940/

    And speaking of variance numbers...lets see how I did...my guesses in parentheses. Pretty damn good actually...within one unit on 15 of 19. Yeah, I look at this stuff way too much...:eek:

    Pickem...15.01 (14)
    JoB...19.51 (19.5)
    Bonus...20.9 (21)
    Full Pay Deuces...25.84 (25)
    DB...28.26 (28)
    Joker (Kings+) 26.24 (28)
    Boner Deluxe...32.13 (32)
    JoB w/STP 31.33 (34)...oops
    DDB...41.98 (42)
    TB+...44.28 (44)
    JoB w/DSTP...49.21 (51)
    Super DDB...50.96 (51)
    Double Deuces...50.99 (51)
    Super Aces...63.36 (63)
    AC Joker (quints pay 4000)...70.41 (70)
    Loose Deuce...70.7 (70)
    DDB w/DSTP...90.37 (90)
    9/7 TDB...98.28 (98)
    9/5 TDB...100.53 (100)
     
  5. wanker751

    wanker751 Dutch Rudder Enthusiast

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    You do pretty good!

    I tried double deuces after your report of it being best game at filament.... I did awful.

    I may make it to elco for dd bj. 30 days to nail this down
     
  6. bardolator

    bardolator Lifelong Low Roller

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    It cannot be overemphasized that you must examine the paytable on the machine closely to make sure the game you're getting is the game you practiced. This is true with any VP game, but especially with Deuces Wild. Many casinos have NSUD, but they also may have lower-paying Deuces games. Not a lot of casinos have FPDW, and even if they do, not all the machines will be full pay. Also, NEVER rationalize that a slightly different paytable is probably about as good as the one on your sheet. Even if it is, correct strategy will vary- sometimes a lot.
     
  7. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Thanks.

    But remember that's Double Bonus Deuces Wild (5 Aces pay 800, 5 3s-5s pay 250, 5 6-Ks pay 100; straights pay 5 and those draws are never held) at Filament. That's pretty different than Double Deuces Wild where all quints pay the same (either 80 or 75) and the straight still pays 10.

    Yeah, I saw tons of short pay Double Bonus Deuces at Gold Coast last month, which the full pay version is their best game in the casino in terms of return...RIP 9/6 JoB w/STP :cry: And in many non-wild games, strategies don't shift nearly as much between paytable changes as they can in deuces (except for 7 for 1 flush paytables in Double Bonus or Triple Double Bonus)
     
  8. JeJas

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    I used to be very lucky on Deuces, then for no reason I couldn't get the 4 deuces anymore.
    So I stopped playing it for several years.
     
  9. vetsen

    vetsen Low-Roller

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    When you have a deuce and both a dbl gap SF4 and trips, you play the dbl gap in NSUD and the trips in 98.9.
     
  10. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Whoops, missed that one. The last 0.01% is always the toughest to squeeze out. Haha
     
  11. vetsen

    vetsen Low-Roller

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    Yep, not a big deal, just the one hand I always play differently between the two.
     
  12. scottydoog

    scottydoog Low-Roller

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    I usually play it when I,m too drunk and making mistakes at DDB, I have hit 3 x natural royals, 2 @ 25ยข and 1 @ $1 while playing Dueces.
     
  13. JeJas

    JeJas VIP Whale

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    That's absolutely true.
    My strategy is: don't bother the last 0.01%, or the 0.02%. If you really care, simply go find a better machine to play. There is always a better one somewhere.
     
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    tfcoach72 High-Roller

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    First game I hit a Royal on---still my go to game---although I still play DDB as well----
     
  15. vegasvp

    vegasvp Low-Roller

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    I play because FPDW returns 100.7%. Hard to beat that.
     
  16. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Some machines do.
     
  17. adbynot

    adbynot High-Roller

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    Where can I find the variance for all these games using STP or DSTP?
     
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