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Which "Table Game" or "Slots" offers best comp?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Drewm1972, Nov 14, 2016.

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  1. Drewm1972

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    We all know longer you play any casino games more "comp" dollars/levels you accumulate... but it also depends on you average bet and I believe what type of gaming ... is it table game or slots?
    I would think slot players gets better comp value (is it more riskier than table games, is that why?)
    Does anyone have "clear" answer?
     
  2. FuzzyDiceCraps

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    Slots earn much better comps than table games. Its all tied to house advantage/theoretical loss, and slots are the big money makers in a casino.

    There are numerous resources/studies you can find with a Google search that lays it out, but for players we all know that to be the case. For a long time my wife played slots and I played table games. While I still play table games, I've started playing slots as well mainly to hang out with her. Since converting part of my play to slot play our comps are significantly better.

    It also helps that slots are a fairly objective factor. The computer knows exactly how much you bet and how often and how much you should have earned in comps. That doesn't happen at the table. Especially with players like me who tend to press. I buy in and start slow to feel the table. The pitboss watches and records my initial bets then may not check back for a while. In the time he's gone I may press bets and increase my play, but that doesn't get recorded. Its much more subjective.
     
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    I'll elaborate a little more on something I said in another thread about comps for slots being "better".

    When I play tables, I typically play a grinding style; this precludes big wins and usually also big losses.

    Everybody knows that the HA on table games is a lot lower than slots. But your actual loss on tables in relation to the total you bet can approach the same ratio as slots, because tables can have more variance, but the HA (and so your theo) doesn't get adjusted for that.

    For example, playing $10 craps, pass line with two come bets, 100 hands an hour. That's a max of $3,000 total bets that gets rated at about 1% theo, or $30 in theo. If you're playing full odds, you could actually have an average of around $150 exposed to the 7 on each roll, and so it's not that difficult to lose $200 - $300 in that hour. But you're still only generating theo as if you were playing $30, cause that's the amount that is exposed to the HA.

    Play a $5 3-reel slot machine and do 600 spins, so $3,000 total bets. If you don't have any luck, you'll lose $500 - $600. So 2x as much as on the tables. But your theo will be $250 - $300, or 10x the theo of the same amount bet at the craps table.

    Of course, it depends on the type of machine or table game you play and how you bet. But you can "adjust" the volatility on machines by selecting certain types. You can't adjust the variance of dice.
     
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    If I play at that rate and do not have any luck, I can easily drop a grand or more. LOL - SAD FACE..
     
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    That's a great comparison of theo on the two. It also is a little depressing realizing how little theo you generate at the craps table (or table games in general) by comparison.
     
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    That would be pretty extreme (33%), but not out of the question for a single session. A couple of trips ago I went over to Orleans, where you would think the slot hold would be a little lower than the strip, and I played a $1 Double-Triple Diamond machine with a low jackpot, which should be a fairly low-vol machine, and I lost $200 on $500 coin in (40%). Ugly.
     
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    The easy answer with regard to table games is that the games with the highest house edge generate the most comps. So bring on the Big 6 wheel, Sic Bo, and triple zero roulette!!
     
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    Penny slots are always going to give you the most comps...more than any table games.
    The next good comp earner is video poker.
    table games earn comps subjectively...it all depends on what the pit boss writes down...the only real way to get table game comps is to play in the high limit room, using markers, so the casino IS FULLY INVESTED in your action.
     
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    Not sure I agree with this Tim.
    Everything in the Comp world is related to theo generated or actual loss.
    A penny slot player with $3-4K coin in a day is not going to be comped at the same rate as a $1 player with $20k coin in.
    Video poker generates a way lower level of Theo than most slots as the good games pay back almost 100%.
    Even the bad ones return 97%.thats why points and tier lever accumulate at a fraction of slot play.
    There is also skill involved in playing perfect strategy for that game.

    Finally, you are right about table rating being subjective .You are somewhat at the mercy of the pit.
    However,saying you have to play on markers in the HL room is not accurate.
    Many people here have played with cash and are comped at a high level.
     
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    It also depends on the property.
    At MGM its hard to earn comps on the newer slot machines. Something like $10 per point, and the older machines are $5 per point.
    At CET its $5 per point on all slot machines.
     
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    It's $3 a point on the "non-specialty" machines at MLife. And keep in mind, this only effects things like point play and express comps. I would hope that mail offers wouldn't be over 3X as worse if you played the "specialty" machines. But I suppose they could be.
     
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