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When to contact a host

Discussion in 'Comps' started by jhpa, Apr 1, 2017.

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  1. jhpa

    jhpa VIP Whale

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    I will be spending two days at the Golden Nuggett (cash for room) and three days at the Flamingo ( two nights comped, one night cash). My gaming budget will be $1000 per day. Should I contact a casino host in advance.
     
  2. Flowers

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    I can't speak about the GN but for Flamingo, the host reviewing your play before you check out will be key. I would definitely do that. That $1k could go quickly -- what do you play? -- or with a lot of churn in a slot or VP machine could turn into a lot of Tier Credits. That and the length of your play is what the host will review before determining if he or she will take anything off of your bill. I think it can't hurt though, only help, to introduce yourself to a host in the host office when you arrive (they are in the Diamond/Seven Stars check in area) and say you are new to the property (I assume you are new), plan to play a decent amount and that you wanted to inquire as to what to do before check out to see if any of your bill can be comped. A minimally decent host should at least give you his or her card at that point and tell you what you should do.
     
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  3. bedaniels

    bedaniels High-Roller

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    Buy in does not count for much, ADT does. Slots vs tables matters as well regarding ADT. If your $1k buy in for the day turns out to be $200+/hand @ 4 hours and/day at table games a host would add value. Flamingo may only be looking for a $100 avg/hand, I would expect GC to be higher. Others can answer about slots.
     
  4. jhpa

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    I generally do not play slots. I might drop $100 in a machine to kill time but that is maybe once a day

    My game is craps. Typically at a $10 table i will start with passline, two place bets and a come bet. So my baseline is $40 plus odds. But i also press pretty aggressively. I hope to play at least 4 hours a day at my "home" casino and bounce around to others as weill.

    Another point: i will be traveling and sharing a room with another person who willplay pretty much at similar levels. Will a host take both of our play into account?
     
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    I'm not sure about the other guest but I'm a firm believer that discussing the your table rating with the pit boss at the end of the session helps your rating. Don't be afraid to negotiate the craps rating, I press craps bets aggressively as well. If $40 is your base but pressing gets you to $100+ on the table several times add that info when discussing the rating with the pit boss. Odds usually don't count in the rating as there's no theoretical HA. Usually only the pass, place, buy, field, come, and hard ways count in the rating. Some places do include odds but lower the ADT as a result.
     
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    $40 a hand at craps may or may not get a host interested.

    But if you are willing to lose $1,000 a day and regularly do so, one will be all over you.
     
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    I don't think there is much value in contacting a host in advance, but definitely speak with one at the end to see what they can do.

    I typically go to Vegas for 4-5 days and am a Total rewards player. (Often the flamingo but next trip is Caesars)
    I earn 1000 tier credits each day (with the exception of the first night I get there being less as I get in at 11pm). Occasionally I will go over the 1000 but not usually by much unless I am having a great winning day.
    I play Slots (all denom), VP ($1 denom), Let it ride (cheapest denom I can find), High Card Flush (cheapest denom) and BlackJack ($25)

    At that level I do have a host who contacts me to let me know about upcoming promotions and to see if I need anything.. but really they don't get me much I cant just get myself on the website with offers and the room calendar. Probably the only thing they have ever done for me that I could not get online was a 6th day comped instead of the normal max on the website I have.
     
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  8. DaiLun

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    IMHO, one of the things that you need to determine is what the house is using to determine your bet level. As an example, does the house count odds as part of the total bet? That COULD alter your play. That's the only thing I can think of, cuz I'm just a "lowly" slots player.
     
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    I always contact my host before every trip to get everything set up (free rooms, RC's and FP) and at the end she comps whatever I have room charged.
     
  10. Lmarl72936

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    $1000 a day budget in the eyes of a host is nothing.
    FYI,
    You will not even be rated at CET properties if you play less then $25 per pass line bet and/or less then $25 per point. so if you play less then this, YOU WILL NOT BE RATED.
    Rule of Thumb, whatever you put on the come out and after the 1st roll but prior to the 2nd dice roll is what your hourly rating will be. If you put $25 on the pass line, buy the points 4 & 10 for $25 each place $30 on 6 or 8 on every come out, you will be rated at $100/hour.
    CET like many other properties including MLIFE DO NOT count pass line odds. (i know that sucks)
    If you are wanting to get the hosts attention, go get a 25k line of credit..
    I bring and blow 5k for a Fri night - Sun morning often to Vegas (once a month) I only play craps and slots to pass time just like you (like no more then 100 bucks on slots max) and Im only a low diamond member. This is for CET properties (Flamingo) i have no idea what GN does. As a Low Diamond member (20k-30k TR on average) per year i dont even get assigned a host.
    In the eyes of CET 20k -30k TR a year is $100- $150k a year spent on CET properties.
    To achieve Diamond the minimum outside of multiplyers and bonuses is spending $85k a calander year at CET properties. i heard to get a host you have to be minimum of Diamond Asperations Level 1 which is 40k TR which equates to spending/gambling $200k a calander year.
    Hope this helps
     
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  11. easy_money

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    I disagree as this is not true. The tier status and color of your card has nothing to with getting assigned a host or not. This is one of the BIGGEST misconceptions that many gamblers believe or assume to be true. Getting assigned a host, COMPS, and FP/RFB offers is simply solely based on how much you gamble, money put at risk or cycle in/out, and end of the day/trip what your ADT/MDT is. There are many TR/CET Golds that get assigned hosts with great offers, and then there are high diamonds and even 7* that have no hosts or nice offers.

    Not sure how you came up with those numbers, or if they are your own. But if 20k-30kTR= $100-$150k, and 40k TR=$200k equates to spending/gambling, then that person is having some pretty bad luck. As a 7*, the cost of achieving it is barely that high up there. If I had 200k or even 100k for gambling budget, it's not guaranteed, but I would most likely make high 7*. Especially in the last 2-3 years, all the TR bonuses CET has been giving out throughout the year.

    A 25K CL/LOC may get the attention of a host but if it's not used, it means nothing. Lots of times, hosts will not even offer anything upfront for CL/LOC unless it's high up there. Many hosts have gotten burned before offering upfront COMPs to players who open a large CL/LOC and then end up not gambling up to that amount to warrant the upfront or even back-end COMPs.

    $1k a day budget may or may not catch the eyes of a host, but I wouldn't say it's nothing. Depends what you play and how long that $1k lasts. Remember, it's all on "ADT". As a rule of thumb, on most of the strip properties, I'd say to catch a host's attention would require minimum $100 avg bet for 4 hours on table games (unsure of slots). This information has been put out many times on VMB and by hosts that's I have talked to.
     
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    OP, as others have mentioned, ensure you keep track of your play and ALWAYS ALWAYS ask the pitboss about your rating. This is a huge variable and has a major affect on your back-end COMPs. As far as contacting a host, there's no real reason to contact a host in advance unless there's something specific you want upfront or you need certain requests (room choice, offers, etc). $1K gambling budget a day can go far and depends how you utilize and how long you last with it. Try to keep track of your play, ask the pitboss your rating before you leave. Some only recommend to go to host office at end of your trip to get your stats. I usually go daily and recommend going once a day at the end of the day to host office and ask about your stats and what your THEO is for the day. This way, you have an idea of where you stand and if you need to play more to cover room/room charges, or just to simply know if you are leaving anything on the table COMP wise. As always, NEVER play for COMPS!!! Good luck!!
     
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    Thanks for the observations and comments.

    My "base" does escalate pretty quickly. Unless there is nothing but " point-seven-out" I will frequently have $100 or more on the table.

    One thing that may work against me is my session length. I will rarely play for more than 2 hours a session. If a table is cold, I might leave after 30 minutes and come back an hour later. Although in Vegas I will probably spend 6 to 8 hours per day at least playing.

    I like the idea of touching base on arrival and maybe getting a business card. And I will be checking with the pitt critters regularly.

    I know we have a cabana reserved one day that will cost us several hundred. Maybe a piece of that might be comped upon checkout.
     
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    I am a $150-$200 avg bet craps player. I can always get free rooms at CET properties and always at Golden Nugget. I always get back end comps at GN but never at CET. I think you will do better at GN especially since you are paying for your room. Like everyone says check with a Host when you are checking out, they like to look at results.
    I also think that Lmarl72936 is way off base on his assessment.
     
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    The title of the thread reads "When to contact a host"
    I had to giggle a bit as the first reply in my head was "When you want to see how little your play really gets you".:wink2:
     
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    While it is always possible to slip through the cracks, I would say that, if a host is going to help you, one will be assigned to you. If you have the TR app, you will see a name and contact. They will also likely give at least a courtesy email or phone call to introduce themselves. Most of us who have one just have a glorified marketing contact but they can still be helpful and will book offers for you. I would say consistent play between 500 & 1000 TC's a day will eventually get you some sort of contact.
     
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    Well everyone.. Dont shoot the Messenger.. The information that was given to me was by a CET host named Andrew at Planet Hollywood around thanksgiving time. What I described above is what he told me.. I was checking in when I arrived in the diamond check in room he was sitting at a desk i introduced myself and had asked him lots of questions. He was happy to break it down for me which I advised above.. Maybe he gave me wrong information I have no idea.. What I do know for certain is that CET properties will not rate you if you do not bet $25 per place bet on craps. I verified this with multiple pit bosses.
     
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    A host couldn't care less if you have a 1M line if you hardly touch it and never come anywhere close to playing up to it. Avg bet and hours played matters, CL does not.

    I've never earned more than just over 20k tier in a year and I have an assigned host with CET in Vegas.
     
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    we take $1000 a day to cosmo, and play 50/50 slots and vp, and we regularly put in $25k coin-in per day...
    do yourself a favor and move to off strip properties that have $5 craps, where you have a fighting chance with $1000 a day.
    otherwise, play machines and hit handpays, and get good comps.
    craps don't earn comps until your playing with black chips
     
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    Question: What games and denominations do you play to get that kind of coin in on $1000 buy in?

    I'm slots stupid, I play 4-8 hours of table games per day avg $200/hand at Cosmo, MGM, MB. Sometimes if I'm up good bankroll wise to kill time or relax I'll play slots and drop $500 in 15min? Never had a good slot win or handpay. I'm doing something wrong.
     
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