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Slots What slot denominations are loosest?

Discussion in 'Slots' started by Marlin3, Jan 26, 2020.

  1. Marlin3

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    I am budgeting around $2K per day through a machine in Vegas and want to maximize my amount of Coin In for each day. I have heard Nickle machines typically have the lowest hold % but is that true in your experience? What machine would you recommend for me to maximize my coin in and get a few hours of entertainment each day?
     
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  2. nostresshere

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    Based on reports from the Nevada Gaming folks... the higher denom usually have a lower hold. Sometimes I have seen nickel slightly better. Problem is, there are not many nickel machines. Lots of penny, quarter, dollar, 5 dollar though.

    BUT - hold is only part of equation. Maybe even the least valuable.

    Take these two examples. We can use $1 machines as an example.

    A) Machine has a jackpot of $1m - nothing else.
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    B) Machine has only one payout of $1,000

    Guess which machine you have the best chance of walking away with a win? Hold really does not matter - much. Even with ZERO hold, machine A is only going to pay out one time in a million pulls. The other will pay out once every thousand times. So, even if machine B has a 50% hold, it still pays out way more often.

    In reality, machines have lots of smaller payouts along the way. You can win $20 here, $200 there, etc. But, that big jackpot has to be covered with lots of "no-pay".

    Your question is asked here often - usually though with someone wanting the name and location of high paying machines - LOL!

    Really, avoid theme machines that take a little extra off the top. And larger jackpots.

    Penny machines are generally the lower pay, but are often more fun to play. Older 3 reel with jackpots a little over $1,000 will tend to pay back better.
     
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  3. Marlin3

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    You think I would be able to get 5,000 Tier Credits with that amount of coin in?
     
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    Very unlikely unless you get lucky.
    A general rule of thumb is that you need $1 for every tier credit you want to get.
    Variance can make it easier or harder but that is a standard baseline.
     
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  5. Marlin3

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    Gotcha. So unless I get really hot I should just plan to get the 1K tier credit bonus per day and maybe call it quits after that. Would give some more time to check other things out.
     
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    yep.. play till you hit the 1k tier credits. (so you get the 1k bonus)
    If at the time you hit 1k you still have a healthy bankroll for the day then decide if you think you can make it to 2500 tier credits (for that you get 5000 tier bonus)
    If at the time you hit 2500 tier credits then decide if your bankroll is still big enough to hit 5000 tier credits.

    Don't play above what you are comfortable with. It is always cheaper to just buy the "perk" you are looking for then to gamble for it..
    The only exception to the above statement is when you have already gambled significantly and are close to a certain perk. (eg. if you already have 14990 tier credits.. then it would be cheaper for you to get the extra 10 tier credits then to pay for resort fees on your future trip)
     
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    What denomination would best cover the variance to play a few hours at my level?
     
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    really tough to say for the same reasons that nostresshere has said.

    Honestly the "cheapest" way to grind points is to play for like 14 hours a day at the lowest possible denom.. think something like 40 cents.
    you will eventually loose your money as it is unlikly you will hit anything big enough to make you leave.. but you will get a ton of spins and get to keep going.

    If you only have 2-3 hours.. then you need to play higher denoms.
     
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    IMHO, you are making it like "work". Ifvthe only nickel machine that you can find is one that you don't enjoy playing, then "what's the point?"

    The % difference doesn't vary that much across the siot spectrum and you arent putting enough play in to notice, unless you're playing Buffalo at 7-11.
    Just my .02
     
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    What is your goal? Playing time, or coin in? This is an extreme example , but my aunt made 7* playing 8-12 hours a day playing pennies at the minimum .80 bet. She made 7* just like i did, but her offers were substantially lower.
     
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    Yes. What is the goal. If you want free rooms for 3 nights - it can be had for less money.

    If you want to play, have fun and MAYBE get rooms, then go for it. But refer back to my earlier post. All the machines have a similar hold over the LONG RUN. But some will pay out more regular and your money will last longer. Your choice.
     
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    My goal? Spend a few hours each day play with stated budget. I don’t want long sessions of 8+ hours or short sessions of 1 hour or so. Just trying to have some fun in a limited amount of time. I would be stupid not to consider making it the most efficient with the comps (room+free play) and Tier credit bonuses too though. So just want to know what type of games would best fit that and what to expect
     
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    Well, Sinbad is my example of a low volatility game that can keep you playing for a long time PROVIDED that you find it entertaining.

    If you just want to "churn", then find a low volatility game and play it to your heart's content (boredom)
     
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    How many days will you be playing? 2k a day is a fairly healthy slot budget and I would think that you should see some pretty decent offers come from it if you are going to play that for a few days. My daily BR is half of that and I've got a full comp calendar all year, but I do roughly 10 short trips a year.
     
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    Rather than maximize coin in, find a machine that you want to play or like to play. For example at Luxor they had these 3d machines that were a blast to play. I'd rather play and lose on that machine than play and lose on another. Same goes for Mandalay Bay. They had some 3D dinosaur / Jurassic Park machine that I couldn't stop feeding money in to. At Luxor one person won several thousand on the 3D/4D games while I was watching, with most coming on the bonus games.
     
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    You should be able to get $10k coin-in out of a $2k bankroll 80% of the time. That's 2,000 TCs at CET.

    So your problem really is, you'll easily make 1,000 TCs on that, but making 2,500 TCs is about 50/50.

    I play $5 Double Diamond and I had it go both ways on my recent trip.

    I played a machine at Bally's and easily made 2,500 TCs and was actually playing at $25 for part of the time. That's $12,500 coin-in and I think I lost less than $500.

    The next day, I went to a similar machine at Paris and dumped $1,700+ at $5/spin before I even reached 1,000 TCs.

    1,000 TCs at $5/spin on a 3-reel machine will take about 2.5 hours. 2,500 TCs will take about 5 hours, you'll be tempted to play $10 part of time to shorten up the session.
     
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    Yep. When comparing substantially similar machines, always play the highest denomination your bankroll can support.

    Your other points are excellent, of course. But when people ask me for a single tip, I always give them that one.
     
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    On slot denomination, my best luck has been playing my favorite standard games (penny slots at max bet of $1.50-2.50 per spin) then upping to higher denominations when a machine is spinning/playing well. Higher denom is great, unless you hit it on a bad spell. Then you can burn through your bankroll FAST.

    I like to feel a game out first---take it out for "coffee" (penny denom). If it does well, I treat it to "dinner" (5-10 cents denom). This let's me avoid burning through my bankroll while still triggering better payouts when a machine is "on"

    @jpw711 led me to the mighty cash games.. .And Mighty Cash Double Up is GREAT, and offers 5 (and 10) cent denom. These games are GREAT for "feeling a game out" before committing to a higher denom. Start with 1 cent, if warm, you can up to 5 or 10 cents.

    This game (Might Cash Double Up) was my comp cash cow, and won me two hand pays. YMMV IMG_20191229_051420404.jpg

    FYI I do NOT do $9 a spin usually. I'm usually $1.50 - 2.50 per spin. But this game was on a hot streak for me at Aria and I was way ahead, so I went wild. If you want to play 5 or 10 cents a spin, Mighty Cash Double Up can be a GREAT one to try---but ABSOLUTELY pay for the double-up feature, it's not much more and gives you double screens on the bonus. (Again, thanks @jpw711 for turning me onto this game!)

    PS If you have a 2k per day bankroll on slots, I am hoping you get KILLER follow up offers, as long as you don't burn through your BR quickly, and as long as you get decent coin-in.

    I'm about $800-$1000 per day bankroll on slots. I'm Mlife though, but have had comped corner suites at Aria for the last few years at my bankroll, plus a very generous fp/rc... .no resort fees.

    At 2k per day bankroll, unless you're burning through it, I'm hoping you see some very strong follow up offers in very good rooms/suites. If not, I'd consider shopping around/seeding next trip, unless you are in love with a chain/property. A ton of money flows through Vegas, but a 2k daily bankroll should not be sniffed at.

    Have fun, and DO consider the coffee/dinner analogy on when to go up on denomination... And look for Mighty Cash Double Up. @jpw711 made a believer out of me :)
     
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  19. brit2vegas

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    As others said, if you want to have fun you need to play a game that you enjoy, something that is fun and keeps your attention. I am aware that mathematically the smart machines to play would be the likes of top dollar and some of the older 3 reel machines at 25c to $5 denom, but they don't appeal to us. I know that the themed machines sometimes require more coin in to earn points, but if we enjoy them I don't let that stop me playing them. Our bank roll is less than half of yours and we get great offers, I would say just enjoy yourself, if you focus on one casino group with that bankroll I'm sure you will see some good offers. Just my 2 cents.