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What Name for "18 Fremont"? Circa Las Vegas

Discussion in 'Downtown Hotels' started by topcard, Nov 20, 2018.

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Stick with "18 Fremont" or Something Else?

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  1. I Like "18 Fremont". Let that be the "official" name.

    40 vote(s)
    33.6%
  2. I Like Derek's original choice: "Grandissimo"

    9 vote(s)
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  3. Call it the "Stardust" - great call-back to a more glorious time in Vegas

    16 vote(s)
    13.4%
  4. Las Vegas Club was good for decades....stick with what worked!

    24 vote(s)
    20.2%
  5. Another name that I will offer up in comments!

    30 vote(s)
    25.2%
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  1. blissfulignoramus

    blissfulignoramus Low-Roller

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    The name will be easy to say, distinguishable from other names without being too weird, and a reference to something classy and suggesting weatlh and opulence, or a famous vacation spot few have ever been to -- something that sounds great without suggesting anything too specific, or demanding some themeing. It will suggest awesomeness in the most banal way. And unless they really screw up, and come up with Sweaty Gym Socks or something, it won't have the slightest effect on success.

    And I'll add: if it offers good rooms at a reasonable price for me and my friends, playable blackjack at $15 and lower, a lively sports book that gives you a drink ticket every so often, and a good people-watching atmosphere, Sweaty Gym Socks will get my business.
     
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  2. Elizakess

    Elizakess Low-Roller

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    He is spending too much on that to have sweaty gym sock atmosphere. He has to pay back that loan after all. Its expensive to build a new property. As far as the suggestion on Glitter Gulch as a name I think he just came through enough over the Xstal dancer he might lean away from association with something that was a strip club once but I do agree the name evokes images of old Vegas. Feel like downtown as we know it sometimes is going away except for El Cortez and maybe the Plaza. I guess Binions selling its furniture means changes there too. I feel old lol
     
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  3. topcard

    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    I'm probably a bit more "nostalgic" than most VMB members, & I think it's great that 18 Fremont is going to be a thing... LVC was a lot of fun in it's hey-day, but let's face it - the old girl absolutely needed to to 'retire' there at the end.
    I adored the pre-FSE downtown, but we all have to realize that, in many ways, the FSE saved downtown as a "viable interest".
    Derek making something new & different out of LVC & Glitter Gulch? That's a good thing!

    (so long as he doesn't call it 'Grandissimo' or 'Sweaty Gym Socks'... ;) )
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  4. vegasdev

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    I too am nostalgic for vintage Vegas, but for whatever reason, LVC never really meant anything to me, but the rest of the downtown joints do.
    18 Fremont will be good for downtown for the most part, but it may drive prices up in general. I hope I am wrong on that one.
    Derek has done a lot of things right, I hope he incorporates classic or vintage Vegas into the place as much as possible.
    GOD SAVE THE NEON!
     
  5. Tonyfromjersey

    Tonyfromjersey High-Roller

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    I was always a fan of the Las Vegas Club. I had some really great times there. It was old and tired but that’s exactly what I loved about it. Gambling was good I thought the coffee shop was decent and the drinks both at the tables and machines and especially the bars were always fast. That being said I do think a new place downtown is what’s needed.
     
  6. blissfulignoramus

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    I was being a smart-a$$ about the sweaty socks thing. I expect this to be the nicest place downtown. It will definitely be a big deal -- what it offers for me personally, we will see, but it will be a big deal. It's the first new-from-the-ground-up major thing downtown since the Sundance (!!). LVC offered virtually nothing for anyone, and was never going to again, so this can't be anything but a good thing. The name will be fine and unoffensive, and probably offer no information about what's really of interest: what the place will be.

    The economics are interesting. The question in my mind is whether it's a place I walk through to check it out every visit, maybe have a fancy cocktail or go for a nice dinner, or a place where I stay and gamble. That comes down to what they charge as well as what they offer -- my Vegas group and I have pretty spartan needs. And I'm not sure that even a new, well thought out, swanky place that stands out from the rest downtown is going to be able to charge prices that are head and shoulders above what everybody else is charging. The prices for an entry-level room among DT hotels show little variance, maybe a difference of 60% between the lowest and highest (I'm talking about the ten major hotels), a very tight range compared to the Strip. I'm not sure you can make money going way above and beyond that DT. I think the Stevens have to figure out a balance between offerings to the everyperson as well as the high-end. They redid the D and GG with that consideration, albeit within existing limitations in those facilities. We will see what the plan is.

    I think Glitter Gulch isn't going to fly, because a lot of visitors have likely never heard the term, and who wants to stay in a gulch, even if it has glitter in it? But come to think of it, the name definitely works for a strip joint.
     
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  7. blissfulignoramus

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    20+ years ago my dad warned me that it was a place where you really needed to have a second set of eyes in the back of your head. There were very tired looking hucksters hanging out at the entrance trying to get you inside. It looked pretty skid row, but I guess not quite that bad. At a certain point I realized that there wasn't much difference between LVC and Horseshoe (a place my dad liked) in this regard, but look what happened to Binions... Anyway, there have always been better alternatives so I spent almost no time there, ever.

    Yeah, it will be good to have a nice new place, on that side of the street. One huge potential positive impact I think will happen: a late night walk on Main Street from Fremont Street to the Cal will be vastly improved.
     
  8. Big Tip

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    I got the Sweaty Socks analogy. It's true, if the place is successful enough, whatever name it has will turn into a "cool" name.

    And speaking of The Las Vegas Club. A long time ago we use to only stay on the Strip. We would make a special trip downtown just to play blackjack at The Las Vegas Club to take advantage of "The World's Most Liberal Rules." For a long time they really were. We didn't always win, but we knew we couldn't have a better shot at winning anywhere else. The coffee shop was just fine, and the Great Moments Room fine dining was great, especially comped! We eventually even stayed in the hotel maybe three or four times.

    I don't see Stevens changing his business model of offering a good gamble just because this is new and fancy. At least I am hoping. It will be better to have a place that getting a comped room is a nicer room than some of the rooms I have stayed in at Golden Gate.
     
  9. scrappy

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    New name should be ............D Lux............ that is all
     
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    Its musical, and kind foo foo, but I'm in going to build a lake home when I retire and call it "Arpeggio."

    I think that would be a cool name for a casino/hotel/brothel...lol
     
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    I would go with the Montecito!
     
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    The Club..... suggestive toward the original name with a sports "ball club" theme, but also a live party atmosphere geared toward a younger crowd.
     
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    I would name it the Dragon’s Gate which is a landmark in San Francisco’s Chinatown. The name and theme would tie in nicely with the Golden Gate. The address (18 Fremont) would also tie in as 8 is a lucky number in Chinese culture. Give the place a subtle, modern asian theme (don’t go overboard like Lucky Dragon) and you have a shot at making a place that appeals to both your middle America tourists and middle class asian Americans.

    This is what Downtown Grand tried to do when it first opened, but I think location more than anything else caused them close down their asian offerings. No one else downtown has gone after this market since, but you definitely see it on the strip (Paris has a Taiwanese themed street food area) and in a lot of the off strip casinos (Silverton, M Resort, Orleans, Gold Coast).

    I don’t really see them going this route since their past actions suggest they’re more interested in the younger, clubbing demographic that they’re never going to get. But it would be a great opportunity.
     
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    I will never understand the "location" thing about DTG. it's one block off Fremont for eff's sake.
    if they offered a good gamble I'd do cartwheels to the damn place!
     
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    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    @vegasdev is correct...I don't think it's the location so much as it has been poor casino management, poor odds (certainly in the past), inconsistent & poor hours-of-operation for table games, poor coordination between the hotel operation & the casino, poor comps and a somewhat 'dead' atmosphere to the place.

    With all of that said, they (now) have a really good $5 3:2 CSM table, with DAS, RSA & LS... and they now have UTH. So, I'll be visiting DTG every trip, so long as they offer those.
     
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    If this continues to be what they offer, we should make an effort to play there, AND TELL THEM that's why we came to play there. Vote with our feet TOWARDS a casino for a change.
     
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  20. blissfulignoramus

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    Me too. I didn't know that game had LS. Last trip (May) I poked my head into DTG and the place looked totally empty. It was mid-morning, but still: I couldn't see a single table with a dealer present. I never made it back the whole trip.
     
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