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Vegas May be Over

Discussion in 'Vegas Trip Reports' started by winner, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. Vegas28m

    Vegas28m Tourist

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    was in vegas 10-6 thru 10 and had 3 hand pays all at paris. playing .25 on 2 of them and .50 on one of them. plus a $1000 royal on quarters at harrahs. i guess luck of the drawer
     
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  2. ken2v

    ken2v This Space For Rent

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    Don't we have someone here who has gone to Vegas for eons, plays VP and has yet to hit a RF? @bardolator, does that ring any bells?
     
  3. luridludicloco

    luridludicloco Low-Roller

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    One reads about people who lose in Las Vegas trip after trip and can't wait to get back. Gambling is not predictable, you can see the proof in the trip reports, some big winners, some big losers, some even, etc. I remember my first trip to Las Vegas ages ago, I went with my older brother. We would visit different casinos and play quarter slots. He was incredibly lucky and would hit a thousand jackpot at Fitzgeralds, Tropicana, Mirage, Flamingo, but I never did, and we played often in machines next to each other. On the flight leaving, he had a wad of cash, thousands, whereas I had lost all my bankroll. Just ask yourself if you enjoy Las Vegas considering the cost and effort of a trip there, and if you can easily afford it, but don't decide not to bother because you think you will lose. It can happen that next trip you might hit hundreds of thousands on Wheel of Fortune at the airport as soon as you deplane, then most probably you will not, but the uncertainty is true about any gambling destination.
     
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  4. Eric1285

    Eric1285 Low-Roller

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    RNG is random. Expect...randomness.

    Been going to Vegas since I could barely walk. I've mostly been a slot player for the past 10 years...probably done in excess of 100k coin in. No handpays.

    Fiance might do $300-500 coin in on a good trip. I'd be shocked if shes done more than 5k coin in, total. She hit a hand pay on our departure day one trip...that was nice.

    I switched my play to VP this year and hit a Royal on my 2nd trip.

    Again, random is random.
     
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  5. Timothy Miller

    Timothy Miller Casino Host

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    It is so funny you say that Eric. When i was 21 and driving from Poughkeepsie to AC. I was hitting 1 or two royal flushes every year until about 29. When i moved out to Vegas I hadn't hit a Royal for my first 4 years. I hit my own confirmation Bias because im my estimation spending a few hundred dollars over a year = Royal Flush. I cannot believe how lucky i was in the past and literally have nothing i can point at and go.. Yup this is what all that luck got me.

    I used to also play poker at the Sands in AC when it still stood. I kind of miss that room it's where i cut my teeth on 7 card stud and NL holdem.
     
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  6. 93 Octane

    93 Octane Chief bottle washer

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    Or a veteran on a bad run:(
     
  7. LolaDoggie

    LolaDoggie VIP Whale

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    Yes, rng is random, but the payout percentage is not. I think that's the point people are trying to make. I could be wrong. But, that's how I read it.
     
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  8. biggrazor

    biggrazor Low-Roller

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    payout seems to suck on slots everywhere these days, that why i quit them for most part
     
  9. pirviii

    pirviii Low-Roller

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    That describes me, not just in Las Vegas, I have yet to hit a RF anywhere since starting in Reno in 1992.
     
  10. biggrazor

    biggrazor Low-Roller

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    Although i have to say ive played for 10 years and over that time it doesnt really seem worse its just always been sort of a high risk / high possible pay out game. Most of time you lose, once in a while you win really big! I saw hits for 10k, 25k, even 100k over those 10 years gambling, my best was only 5-6k wins a couple times
     
  11. biggrazor

    biggrazor Low-Roller

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    I like vegas and i like high limit slots, but the tax forms make the odds even worse if you are making alot outside of gambling and report that too...well even if you hit a hand pay, how much do you owe in taxes? 20% of the win if your lucky maybe more
     
  12. MikeOPensacola

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    One thing that has helped me is when I start planning a trip, usually about six months out, I’ll ask myself, “So, what happens if you lose 1/2 of your BR?”. When I plan a trip I’m thinking about that trip, all of my financial responsibilities and even the next trip a year away. I tailor my planning around the basic assumption that I’ll lose half my BR. I use the 1/2 BR stratagem because on any given day if I drop half of my daily BR I’ll hang it up and do other things that bring value to my visit. Very rarely do I lose half my daily BR more than a couple of times during a 8-10 day visit but I use that as a worse case scenario. My days of banging out hand after hand at the BJ tables for for 8-14 hours ar long, long gone and now I just gamble for the fun of it and not necessarily the sport of it. I know I’m swimming upstream playing slots a few hours each day but it’s fun and that’s why I’m there. Same thing with craps, BJ, VP and roulette. Luckily for me I get just as much enjoyment having a great meal, drinks at a cool bar/lounge or just walking the strip or Fremont St. taking in all the sights. The game changer for me was about 25 years ago when I accepted that I was going to lose and didn’t need to have a winning trip to have a fun trip. Once that really clicked Vegas has been a breeze and I rarely get stressed over it.

    :peace: :beer:
     
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    Christmas Week Fun at Cosmo 12/18 - 12/27
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  13. Geogran

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    Well said @LolaDoggie !

    An example for me is when I’m in Vegas I’d rather budget less on meals and more on gambling because I’m primarily there to gamble and I value gambling above paying for expensive meals every night. (I do get nice meals comp’d).
    But at home, I have no problem splurging on nice dinners with family and friends, because the fellowship is the greatest value.

    It does sting to have losing trips, but for me that’s part of gambling.
     
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    Fingers crossed - it's been almost a year
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  14. 93 Octane

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    Unless you're a poker player I'm not sure how one is upset if losing money on a Vegas trip, even sports betting--which is 53% break even when flat betting---is tough. Vegas = losing money......
     
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  15. vegasdev

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    I have been to Vegas 65-70 times over 22 years. I have never had a hand pay in Vegas.
    I have had a few back home.
     
  16. Rookies11

    Rookies11 Low-Roller

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    Was at South Point for about 4+ days of gambling on the Ponies, NFL & BJ/3 Card Poker... in that order.

    Played a tiny bit of Slots, so not even looking.

    But, witnessed 2 Hand Pays: $2700 & $1500.
     
  17. LB9

    LB9 PH Blackjack Degen

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    Ton of good advice here which I totally agree with. Here's my vantagepoint, I lose probably 80% of the time gambling and I play a low house edge game (BJ). Early on it frustrated me, because initially I had a lot good size wins for me at least, so I naively expected it to continue into perpetuity. Then I just lost after lost and took a few month break.

    I also took a metaphorical step back and reflected and finally realized, I still have a ton of fun even if I lose. I bring what I can afford to lose, and tell myself I could spend this exact amount on another vacation, however, I just have more fun going to Vegas and taking in the atmosphere, meeting new people from all walks of life, and just feel alive. I almost expect to lose, which makes the occasional win that much sweeter.

    I first went to Vegas at 23 back in 2010 with my dad. My mom had just passed unexpectedly and we needed to get away, and while I initially thought Vegas was an absurd choice, I'm glad I decided to go along. I lost probably $50 over 4 days and had the best time of my life. Lot of good memories with my dad who, unfortunately, I'm not too close with anymore.

    Also, it's absolutely correct that in the end we all lose far more than we win, Vegas wasn't built on winners. There's a few members here who somehow win every time in their TRs, which is complete bullshit. Hopefully OP hadn't read those folks and thought that was the status quo because it's not. I've stopped reading their TRs because of the asinine, hyperbolic nature of somehow theyll win a few thousand in 5 minutes, only to repeat that 20 times in a row without losing lol. It's statistically nonsense, but a lot of people read that poor fiction.

    My point is that ultimately, find that place that just does it for you. This forum, myself included, has a coterie of folks who Vegas is the place that does just that. If it's not for you, that's ok too. You get what you make of this town and for me at least, I get a ton of fun out of it win or lose. If we're lucky enough to afford to go there in the first place, regardless of bankroll, I would say on average that our lives aren't that bad!
     
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  18. biggrazor

    biggrazor Low-Roller

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    yea thats the best way to look at vegas or casino trips really, vacation expense with the chance to win alot of money that doesn't happen just chillin on a beach somewhere. Beach house will never be comped, dinner will be on you if your on vacation say in Hawaii. Keep going to vegas OP, handpays arent that rare, if you are playing $5 and up if very common you just need to step your game up son and hit some of them!
     
  19. fraygul

    fraygul Low-Roller

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    I got a handpay at Cosmo this trip, but I was betting pretty high on wonder 4 boost ($7.25). It was only 1300. After the gov took my 30% it was 940.. then $40 tip.. so 900 which went back into a machine.
    I hit South Point the last day and could really feel the difference in the slots. Maybe I was hitting the right machines, I don't know.. but it seems like all I can do okay on is Buffalo - the regular one. I don't go to Vegas to play Buffalo.
    I got another freaking host approach me at Cosmo, so I must have been losing well, haha. But between my bad hosts there and my platinum being a let down and the slots really not paying back very well, I get it. I'll still go, I love it and I love Cosmo, but I need a break. 4 times this year was too much and it doesn't really feel like you win anymore.
    They make all the machines so freaking loud now to make up for the loss of jackpots I swear. It used to be when it was loud, it was because people were winning and getting handpays so the machines would sing. Now we have fake 'coin shows' when you win $30. :rolleyes:

    And other than my barely a had pay, I didn't see anyone else win one.
     
  20. NYNYGirl

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    Another reason for a newbie...myself...not to play.:D
     
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