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Video Poker Variations of deuces wild

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by Dewey089, Mar 5, 2021.

  1. Dewey089

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    I've worked to learn NSU deuces because I hope to find that pay table in Blackhawk. I played the full page deuces in Sam's Town, but I read those were gone. Still, if I find full pay I have strategy sheets. There are other games I see, Airport Deuces, Illinois Deuces, Loose Deuces. Are there some simple changes I can make that will give me a better edge if those are all I find?
     
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    I've been intrigued by that game for some time now, but really don't have the basic strategy down pat. When I play it, and I always just futz around on it with one coin, I pull up the closest strategy chart on the phone and consult it when I don't have a clear way to play.

    It seems to me that the variance on Deuces Wild is higher than on JoB or Single Bonus, which are the games I mostly play.
     
  3. Dewey089

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    Here is an interesting chart from Jean Scott
    Game Variance
    9/6 Jacks or Better 19.51
    8/5 Bonus Poker 20.90
    8/5 Aces and Faces 20.95
    16/10 NSU Deuces Wild 25.78
    10/7 Double Bonus 28.26
    8/6 Bonus Poker Deluxe 31.96
    18/7/5 Joker Wild Kings or Better 33.09
    8/5 Super Double Bonus 38.64
    10/6 Double Double Bonus 42.18
    15/10 Double Deuces Wild 50.93
    8/5 Super Aces Bonus 63.36
    15/10 Loose Deuces Wild 70.31
    16/8/5 Joker Poker 5-of-a-Kind 70.41
    9/6 Triple Double Bonus Poker 100.11

    So you are right on your sense of variance.

    Full pay deuces was Jean Scott's game of choice back in the early days. However, I never played it until I found it in nickels at Sam's Town. Full pay games in nickels are great. Although I may have played in dimes as I usually do if that is an option. I once was there(and way out of my league as writer or player) with both Steve Bourie, his son. and John Grochowski because Steve bought us lunch as a perk for writing in the American Casino Guide. Grochowski did quite well at the full pay deuces. It is a favorite of his as well. Over the last few weeks on Win Poker I've gone from 97% accuracy to 99% on the NSU Deuces and for my old, barely functioning brain, that is very reassuring. Of course, it was better in the days when it earned points as well, or generated room offers. B Connected won't do that for low rollers who don't visit Vegas often. Nor will Monarch in Blackhawk. However, when I was at little, old Bull Durham in Blackhawk they had quite a few nickel games and they claimed that points were good for a lifetime. It was a low roller's dream place with a free hot dog a day, free popcorn, free soup, I hope it hasn't changed much, but no one seems to write about, even VPfree.
     
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    FYI...there are $.25 FPDW games at Arizona Charlies Decatur in Las Vegas.
     
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    vpfree2 shows 5c -10c-25c fpdw games also offered at sams town as well as a 25c game at arizona charlies boulder
     
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    Thanks, fellas. I won't get to Arizona Charlie's, but Sam's Town is just across the street and down a bit. I know they had the FP Deuces, however, I read somewhere that they had gone away. VP free is great but not always up to date.
    I love playing dimes
     
  7. zignerlv

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    I've played NSUD for years in Westgate/LVH, before they were removed, and in several other places. NSUD is probably less than 3% of my lifetime play. Nevertheless, I have 100-200 hours of play in this game, in my history. I can say it is the most frustrating game, as unless you hit deuces in a session, you are going to lose most of time. So, beware of possible frustration here, despite the return being higher than JoB (for the 99.7% pay scale)! A main strategy difference is holding two pair in this game. It is the best play for that hand vs a holding a pair, but you get a full house so rarely, even with the wild cards, that this is personally, my most hated VP hold.

    Here are the top changes

    1. Hold two pair in NSUD, hold one pair in FPDW.
    2. 4 card flush w/pair: hold the 4-flush in NSUD, hold the pair in FPDW.
    3. 3-card or 4-card straight flush w/ one deuce or two deuces; in FPDW, SF must be consecutive cards, not lower than 6; in NSUD, cards can be one-gap, and as low as 5
    4. Dealt 5-of-a-kind w/three deuces; draw two to the three deuces in FPDW, if the pair is 9 or lower; keep all five cards in NSUD
    5. (My favorite exception) - With one deuce, hold 567-QJT

    I can send you a detailed strategy for this game, if you are interested.
     
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    This is grand. I'm going to Blackhawk and play NSU and then to Vegas and hope to find full pay. I'm practiced in NSU and I know if I start practicing full pay, negative transference (as they say in the ed biz) will just mix me up. This is exactly what I wanted. Thanks so much.
     
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    Oh, that first comment confuses me. I don't break up a full house?
     
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    I copied that from another post, just edited it to remove "full house" from the line. Hold two pair over one pair with no deuces.
     
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    Got it. Thanks.
     
  12. tringlomane

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    Yeah, @zignerlv has it covered. And using NSUD strategy on Airport/Illinois is "good enough" (0.01% loss in return).

    Now Loose Dueces (12/8), that's a different strategy, but FPDW will generally fit okay for that game. But Dueces are so valuable that you break anything with 3 Dueces.

    Also since the SF is poorer, 4 to a gutshot beats 3 to a SF with two gaps with no Dueces.

    With one wild in Loose Deuces:
    Pat straight or flush beats 3 of a kind
    the only 3 to SF you hold is W9T.

    With 2 wilds in loose Dueces:
    WWJT beats quads (12/8 only)
    Don't hold any 4 to a straight flush.

    And as said above, break any hand with 3 Deuces.

    And be warned, Loose Deuces is very, very swingy. Getting the Ducks is 10.7% of the game's return! The game acts like a crappy slot machine without those Deuces!
     
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    Oh, great. Good advice here. Many thanks.
     
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    This thread inspired me to play a bit more with DW on the WOO simulator. (Yeah, as if I have more constructive things to spend my evenings on!)

    I'm learning more of the true strategy, but it's still very counterintuitive, such as drawing to inside straights and throwing away a pat straight with two deuces. Next time I get over to one of the casinos I'll try it out again for real.
     
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    Well in deuces it's more like an open-ended straight since a deuce will complete the straight. And tbh, it's barely better than tossing it all.
     
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    Thanks again for these differences. It was helpful. I did have trouble moving from the NSU in Blackhawk and the full pay in Sam's Town. Also helpful was Linda Boyd's strategy sheet in the back of her book Video Poker. I found it easy to use, and I found myself looking up many more hands than I thought I would. I'm disappointed because I have not had difficulty moving to Bonus poker. I guess it is so very different that confusion is eliminated. I loved playing the Full Pay at Sam's Town. I played in dimes. No four deuces. Only one royal. But I made a bit of money, then lost, and quit even.
    Blackhawk bears out what you posted on NSU being often a losing game. I lost there. Hope to get it back in Vegas.
     
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    The change between JoB and Bonus is almost negligible. FPDW and NSUD, definitely not.

    Congrats on the Royal at Sam's!
     
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    From the context, I'm thinking his royal was a wild royal. Either that or Dewey has very high expectations, and really back luck aside from the royal! ;-)

    "Only one royal. But I made a bit of money, then lost, and quit even"

    Dewey?
     
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    Whenever I hit a royal (or a SF or a good 4oaK), including the quasi-royal above, I'll almost always cash out and call the session a winner!