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Discussion in 'The Sports Book' started by kevin853, Jun 11, 2019.

  1. kevin853

    kevin853 High-Roller

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    I was reading a couple of threads the other day and never really got a fans perspective of your home team moving to another state. With the Raiders heading to Vegas will the LA crowd still follow them or pick the 49ers etc

    Does a team lose its own identity when moving away from its original area. It is something we never really experience in the UK. Over here the last and perhaps the only time a football team moved, there was a massive outcry and the original area set a new team up even though it was only a minnow of a team https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relocation_of_Wimbledon_F.C._to_Milton_Keynes

    How often does it happen in the States? Will some teams never move whilst others like the Raiders move around a little bit and have others moved a considerable distance?

    Just interested really and not saying either model is right.
     
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    LA will never root for SF. lol. Don't forget, the Rams are back and the Chargers are trying to coattail in "LA."

    You'd probably be surprised at the number of teams that have relocated over the years. It's still the exception not the rule but there certainly has been a bit of it.
     
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    Sometimes its a big deal to the city losing the team (e.g., Cleveland Browns). Other times, less so (e.g. Houston Oilers)
     
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    Think about what it was like when the Giants and Dodgers changed coasts.
     
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    Kevin857 I know the whole story about Wimbledon/Milton Keynes and AFC Wimbledon. Going from Combined Counties League to League One in 12 years and going 78 games without a defeat is amazing. And AFC Wimbledon stayed up in League One on the last day when everyone thought they were finished. BTW b4 I started following AFC Wimbledon i was (and still am) a Crystal Palace supporter. Here teams have relocated fairly frequently. A lot of times its about building a new stadium. Crystal Palace has been playing in Selhurst Park since 1924 and they're not going anywhere
     
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    You lose local/cable/satellite/over-the-top television rights when the team changes locales. The people in Oakland don't get to watch them on local channels, except for a small percentage of fans who have Directv Sunday Ticket. It's a bit different with other sports like MLB, where most everyone has to have the in-market cable channel to follow their team, or a subscription to MLB.tv (which restricts you from watching your local team even if you pay for the subscription, you only get out-of-market teams).

    Happens all the time here in the USA. Owners want the public to fund a $2 billion stadium and then keep all the proceeds -> public tells them to pound sand -> owner takes the team to new locale that builds a new stadium with government bonds that citizens pay for the next 40 years. Lather rinse repeat.
     
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    It”s a long and complicated story when it comes to teams locating and relocating in N.A.

    Think Brexit....enough said....
     
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    They move as you know but nit that often and it is usually a big deal. It is very expensive so not something they do all the time. Raiders are the team probably that have moved the most.

    Here in San Diego, the Chargers moved and everyone felt betrayed. Of course we had no intention of investing a dime in a new stadium so there is that. The teams feel they need a new stadium to be competitive. At least they get a chance to host a superbowl which brings in enormous money to the city.

    There are a lot of transplants here so you could say go see a baseball game and the stadium will be 3/4 full with fans of the opposing team.
     
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    The Raiders have not been in LA for a long time. They started in the AFL in Oakland in 1960, moved to LA fin 1982, then moved back to Oakland in 1995. Now they're headed to Vegas.

    US professional sports are different from UK football in that they don't have relegation. There are a fixed number of franchises in each professional league, and the current league members have to agree to allow expansion. At one time it was possible for teams to go out of business, but currently the demand for teams exceeds supply by design. If Cincinnati becomes unable to support a team to the owner's satisfaction, the team will move to another part of the world that will support it. The other owners have to approve the move, but since it's in their financial interest they will.

    As I understand European football, normally the poorly supported team would be relegated and another team would move up.
     
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    Great answer just what I was hoping for. Just seemed a bit weird looking at the model from the UK but that sums it up great.
     
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    The Seattle Supersonics moved to Oklahoma City, and to say they are missed terribly is an understatement. For the sports fan, to see their team move, it just stinks. This move was due to the pressure to build a new & bigger stadium, with more seats, with more high priced luxury suites, upgraded and better facilities, all of which would lead to more money for the team and its owners. The cost of a new stadium is usually financed with a combination of public tax dollars and private investment. This bigger and better stadium pressure has happened so many times in many cities. And when the public finance part is not big enough or just disappears, the team has sometimes moved to another city with a better stadium. This has happened to the Supersonics, the San Diego Chargers, The St Louis Rams, and others. Again, it just stinks. We may not have our team right now, but we may again someday! #SupersonicsFanForLife
     
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    I'm from Buffalo. If the Bills or Sabres ever leave, they can jump straight off a goddamned cliff.
     
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    I think that is accurate for Cardinals fans, but St. Louis doesn't really have a leg to stand on relative to the Rams.

    Tearing the Sonics out of Seattle was just cruel.
     
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    European model is clearly superior, our model is complete rubbish, for competition and team stability.
     
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    Not quite like that as the team/teams with the lowest points over the season get relegated but usually it is the lowest supported teams as more fans = more money to improve the teams.

    Other times poorer teams with lower attendances can win the big one i.e Leicester City won the Premier League which is the most lucrative football competition in the world on attendances of 30k in 2016 even though they were 1000/1 at the beginning of the season.
     
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    OMG. I was only 8 years old but I was devastated. How could we ever say “San Francisco” Giants or “Los Angeles” Dodgers?
     
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    Kevin,

    Have a look at the expos/rays thread to get some more insight.

    Expos fans were devastated when they moved. Never mind only 4,000 were showing up for games.

    Winnipeg jets lost a team that was almost selling out regularly to Phoenix but, when trouble hit Atlanta, the quickly scooped up that franchise and have been strong in supporting
     
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