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Two Dozen Nights in Vegas: Down Town VP and beer.

Discussion in 'Vegas Trip Reports' started by wasilla, Oct 20, 2019.

  1. FABismonte

    FABismonte Tell my wife I am "about even."

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    Ever since I started reading Wasilla's trip reports I got more interested in quality beers downtown. During my last trip I noticed I only ate twice a day as the "cereal in a mug" was enough to tide me over between meals.
     
  2. wasilla

    wasilla Low-Roller

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    I'm really sorry we didn't meet. Your slogan is hilarious, and I was down to 1 solid meal after all the "cereal in a mug." Next time you ponder whether to interrupt a player, just recognize that you are more than worth the time.
     
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  3. wasilla

    wasilla Low-Roller

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    I should have attributed those lyrics. Whiter Shade of Pale is Poco Harem. "Up before the dawn" is a verse from Supertramp. Both are famous, but its understandable that you don't know them. The late, great Warren Zevon though???! He's not Dylan famous, but he is Dylanisq significant. He's your kindred spirit. If your TR's were films, he could have made the sound tracks. Time to make a couple additions to your music library.

    I'm not quite jealous of your upcoming trip. It will take me a few more nights' sleep to get there. Best of luck and look forward to reading about it.
     
  4. Bgoll279

    Bgoll279 Low-Roller

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    Just another quick post to say thank you for your TR. I have enjoyed settling in each evening and checking for new posts. Being a number cruncher by both nature and trade, I really love all the details of each session.
     
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  5. Texas Rock

    Texas Rock Low-Roller

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  6. Aplayer2

    Aplayer2 Low-Roller

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    "Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money" could have been the theme for some of my earlier trips--Love Zevon

    "Enjoy every sandwich"---Warren Zevon


    Thanks again for the report!
     
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  7. gutshotSF

    gutshotSF Royal chaser and real-life long-distance runner

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    Thanks so much! I will keep close track of my points for my stay. I plan on playing more than 900 points each day so comp room nights shouldn't be an issue. I am curious as to what extras I might get comped on the back end; I am planning to run through at least 10k each day over the course of a 4 day stay. My first day might be more like 20. I tend to get up early, have breakfast at Magnolias and then hit JoB (fueled by coffee) hard each morning. My plan is to head over to South Point one day and play 99.73% NSUD deuces (positive EV with their slotclub) to see if I can seed any offers there. I've been learning DW and (shockingly) found myself really enjoying it. South Point seems like a decent property. Do you have any mileage there? Thoughts?
     
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  8. wasilla

    wasilla Low-Roller

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    I don't think 4Q's gives much in the way of back food comps since they started giving 2/3rds % back in comp dollars. At least that was the plan when they switched to the current system. I'm guessing, though, tht most of their regular players don't even ask. You're looking at close to $200 in Comp dollars. You can get an additional $30 of room credits by going Green.
    Never played SP
    If your just looking for an excursion, Jerry's Nugget is a fun place to play 16/10 DW. They have a generous new player bonus and includes a good meal.
    If you are looking for another place to seed, The D is super generous with rooms, FP, and food offers and has the .25c progressive 8/5 BP. A single $5,000 day would probably get you a 4 night offer if you haven't low played there before. I'm guessing 3 to $4,000 would get 3 nights.
    If DTG' VP was more stable, I'd suggest seeding there. While there DW has been downgraded, they still have good games, but who knows how long that will last.
     
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  9. wasilla

    wasilla Low-Roller

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    "The shit has hit the fan!" I've had trips like that too.
     
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  10. 3OfDiamonds

    3OfDiamonds Low-Roller

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    For reference on Jerry’s Nugget, I played just enough to get the $100 FP new member bonus during my mid-October trip and got a mailer for $120 FP and $40 food credit (split between halves of the month)... I hope December and January will be similarly kind :thumbsup:
     
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  11. wasilla

    wasilla Low-Roller

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    Hi Tring. Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Since I don't have a smart phone I couldn't do this the easy way and just confirm your post. Instead I'm comparing it to a couple pages of notes. I'm not familiar with some of these games and really hope I don't make a mistake.

    .25 DDB: single line 50/10/6 with RF at $1,250 reset and 4 Aces/w kicker prog. multiline is 40/10/6. Above .25c is 9/6

    .25 DB is 10/7 single line, 9/7 multi. above .25 is 9/7

    DW is 15/9 every table I checked

    . 25c BP is 80/40/25/8/5. I don't think it changed above .25c, but forgot to note it.

    BP Dlx was 8/6

    A game listed as DWBP had 10/4/3/3

    They also had Trip DB at 9/6/4/2/1/1

    So I think all your single line guesses are confirmed

    There are still some bar tops with multiline and spin. I listed DDB and DB pays above.

    SPIN POKER

    For DWB I got 80/40/20/25/13/4/3/3/1/1

    DB 9/7

    DDB 40/10/6/4/3/3/1

    DW 15/9

    BP Dlx 8/6

    SUPER TIMES PAY some bar tops have it

    BP 7/5

    DB 10/6

    DDB 9/6

    TB 9/6/4/2/1/1

    BPdlx: I wrote down 4-6 but don't know what I was referring to.

    ULTIMATE X also on some bar tops

    BP 6/5

    DB 9/6/5

    DDB 9/6/4

    TDB 9/6/4/2/1/1

    DW 20/12/10/4/4/3/2/1

    DWB 25/20/13/4/3/3/1/1

    BP dlx my note is only semi legible. I'm going with 8/5/4/3/1/1

    Sorry this is a mess. It's hard to know what #'s to report on games I don't play.
     
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  12. wasilla

    wasilla Low-Roller

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    My first mailer was similar, but dropped the next month and remained stable from there until I got back to play again..
     
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  13. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Thanks for bothering to go through it all. I can't believe they left 9/6 DDB UX!!! Haha

    I'll put it in the bartop sticky soon.
     
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  14. wasilla

    wasilla Low-Roller

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    12 Nights at The D and GG

    I spent half this trip at The D and GG. I played their progressive 8/5 BP for 48,000 hands and ran $60,000 through. While it's easy to determine the progressive values of the SF and RF, ordinary quads can be difficult to pin down. I thought I'd take a moment to share my experience playing this particular game. The progressives between the Vue Bar and floor GG BP are now connected. GG doesn't get played much, so this really impacts the play there the most. Last Summer, while playing GG, I was mostly chasing my own money. On one hand I hit almost every single progressive, on the other, they were funded by my own money. This has changed. The D rounds the win up to the quarter, GG pays to the penny so I did some estimating for GG.
    I didn't do as well this trip. I've never hit a Royal at either place, but SF's is a pretty big deal in this game. Last trip I played $20,000 over 16,000 hands evenly split between the D and GG. I hit 3 SF's at the D and 2 SF's at GG. This trip I hit a single SF for $224. It wasn't a good run. Even so, I won an extra $370 just on the ordinary quad progressives. In a sense, this is artificially high, because I aggressively chased high quads and often took breaks when they reset. Between the quads and single SF, I had an extra $530. I recorded the amount of each hit in the TR, but a summary is a lot easier to digest. This was worth under 1% this trip, but was worth quite a bit more last trip when I hit more SF's. The D and GG are also pretty generous with FP. Between monthly offers and an LVA coupon, I had an extra $300 to play with. I still lost on my play, but am grateful that the damage was mitigated by the progressives and FP. Someday I may even hit a Royal there.
     
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  15. AyDee

    AyDee is getting too old for this

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    Do you happen to know if those are the only connected progressives?

    Also do you or @tringlomane have any simple rule of thumb (like can remember when drunk) numbers for what progressive #s cross over to +EV
    (mainly wondering in re: DDB, for 4oaks, e.g., 4Q)

    still chasing the first royal, but not all that hard.
    pretty sure we've missed a fair average of 4 and 3 draws.

    also any simple formulas for absolute best VP games per casino, I'm ready to back off the DDB 4oak droughts and take some BP grinding. JOB would be a stretch unless I'm in win it in free drink mode.
     
  16. casinokid68

    casinokid68 VIP Whale

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    Seriously? :faint:
     
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  17. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Rules of thumb? I never came up with them for multiway meters. I just punched in a calculator. Now a progressive royal is worth about one paytable "notch" per 2000 extra credits.

    Also Bonus will be slightly better than DDB when the full house/flush sum is 2 units less than the DDB game.

    e.g. 8/5 Bonus (99.17%) > 9/6 DDB (98.98%).
     
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  18. GeorgeG

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    Great trip report. Thanks
     
  19. wasilla

    wasilla Low-Roller

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    You're getting the long answer referring to both the D and GG.

    The Royal progressives in front of the D sports book only seem linked to each other. The progressives in front of the D player's club seem to be machine specific.

    I only compared the GG bar and the D long bar once. The RF had recently been reset on both. I don't know if this is a coincidence or if they are connected.

    The D's Vue Bar and GG floor machines were 100% absolutely connected when I played there. The connections where with DDB, JOB and BP. All 3 games shared the SF and RF. The JOB quad was shared with the BP ordinary quad. The DDB ordinary quad was independent.

    Because I drink some times, I get tired sometimes, and I'm generally not the sharpest tool in the shed, I don't rely on my memory. I have the strike #'s I'm giving you written down on the back cover of my notebook and on my strategy sheets.

    You gain .5% EV for every extra 1,000 coins for the RF. So at $1,500 RF is positive EV BP on it's own

    You gain .1% EV for every 50 extra coins for the SF. Add an extra $100 with your points and you have a +EV BP.

    You gain .32% EV for every 10 extra coins for the ordinary Quad. A $39 ordinary BP quad, on its own, brings the game above 100%

    I'm not great at math and have adapted these #'s from something I read in a Dancer book. I encourage folks, who can actually do math, to correct or validate these numbers.

    I generally calculated the value of the SF and RF at the beginning of a session to decide whether to play. I'd chase $40+ quads regardless until they were hit.

    As far as the games to play at Vue or the GG floor, .25c BP is the short answer. 7/5 JOB is a batshit crazy choice, but 9/5 DDB isn't far behind. Since their RF and SF are connected, the quads would have to be substantially higher than BP before it's a better game, and those are going to reset often.

    When I'm playing quarters at the 4 queens bars I alternate between 9/7 DB and 9/6 DDB. I think that they are both decent games and play the best one at the time. I'm afraid that I don't have any Kicker numbers. 2 thru 4's add .10% per 10 extra coins. Aces add .04% per 10 extra coins. I use a pen and paper to get a weighted average for the premium quads when I play kicker games. Not the easiest exercise when I'm under the influence and I'm often sucking down IPA's at Chicago brewing. For those who don't know, all 3 QQQQ bars are connected and the meters can move fast.

    That .25c 9/6 JOB at MSS is still the best EV game at the bar. The scratch cards brings it up to even, and point multiplier days makes it positive. The thing about this game is that you can stay in the game to finally hit that RF.

    Best of luck. I found myself in a 3 trip, 7+ week Royalless losing streak and lost thousands. I took a serious look at what I was playing and for how much. Turned out that I had leaks that weren't that hard to plug. I think that sometimes we place good plays and having fun into mutually exclusive camps. I think that tons of people do both.
     
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  20. AyDee

    AyDee is getting too old for this

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    I would have sworn you hit at least two royals, or do you not count DW?