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The mass shooting near Mandalay Bay

Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by grosx2, Oct 1, 2017.

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  1. smartone

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    I saw an interview with a lady in Mesquite who cut his hair and said he always came in shortly after they opened in the morning, smelling heavily of alcohol and said he'd been out all night playing at the casino.
     
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    So here's what I've been thinking about that. The Tannerite stuff explodes when you hit it with a bullet. He had 50 pounds of ammonium nitrate in his car. So you put the 10 or 20 pounds of Tannerite or whatever he had at the base of the fuel tank, next to the ammonium nitrate.

    I think that is a plausible way an explosion could be triggered.

    There a lot that is wrong with this scenario though, he'd have to sneak that stuff over there and put it against the tank, unnoticed. Not to mention hitting a very small specific target. Maybe with a scope he could have, but overall, I don't see this plan as being very likely.
     
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  3. UKFanatic

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    I have and don't recall seeing anything that resembled a door sensor. That said, I know MB has done a renovation of those suites since I last stayed in one, so maybe a sensor was added. but I will also say that having stayed in a lot of different vegas suites, I have never seen a door sensor on any of them
     
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    I don't recall which hotel we were staying at one time recently in Vegas, but all of a sudden a security guard was at our door...it didn't completely shut and we hadn't noticed. I apologised and He seemed pretty serious about it, saying he got notification a door was ajar for a period of time. So maybe it is a thing. I can't believe the killer would leave the door ajar, but maybe the smoke was too much?
     
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    Just a reminder for everyone that is straining to find a link to ISIS, keep in mind that terrorist organizations like ISIS often claim a connection to violent acts because they can then use it as a recruiting tool. Just look back a couple months. In the immediate aftermath of the incident at the Manilla casino, ISIS took credit for the attack. But it turned out the perpetrator was just a lunatic, disgruntled person that was just trying to rob the casino.
     
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    I would say extremely unlikely. Keep in mind that he would have had to scale a security fence, in an open area where he could be spotted from multiple angles, with seventy pounds of materials (or make multiple trips over the fence), set up the explosives, and not have anyone notice. Not saying its impossible, but it seems extremely unlikely to succeed
     
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    I’ve stayed in a similar suite at MB. They do have door alarms. One night we failed to pull the door closed all the way. Security knocked on the door a short time later to advise us that the door was not completely closed.
     
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    I have had security knock on my door because it didn't fully close. Don't know if someone reported it or if security was doing a walk of the floors and caught it. But this was at the Cal.

    As for the shooter, I thought he kept the door partially open because he had a camera or something that could see out the doorway, that's why he knew about the security guard approaching. I thought maybe he had camera and wires so he had to keep the door partially open.


    This is an explanation of tannerite from Wikipedia:

    Tannerite is the brand name of a patented[1] exploding target used for firearms practice, sold in kit form and containing the components of a binary explosive.[2] The explosive comprises a combination of ammonium nitrate and/or ammonium perchlorate (oxidizers), and a fuel - primarily aluminum powder - that is supplied as two separate powders that are mixed by the user. The combination is relatively stable when subjected to forces less severe than a high-velocity bullet impact, such as a hammer blow, being dropped, or impact from a low-velocity bullet or shotgun blast.[1] It is also not flammable – an explosion cannot be created by a burning fuse or electricity.[3] Because it is sold as two separate powders, it can be transported and sold in many places without the legal restrictions that would otherwise apply to explosives.[4] The target system as a whole is the patented, trademarked product called Tannerite, although the term is often used to refer to the explosive mixture itself, and other combination explosives are often generically referred to as Tannerite.[4]

    I don't think a simple shot would have caused the tannerite to explode, it would have to come from a high velocity bullet, something that would probably have to come from some one up close.
     
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    i had a security guard banging on my door at the rio one afternoon...story for another thread:hmmm:
     
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    The Vegas undersheriff was interviewed on CNN and he stated the door alarm that hotel security went to investigate was a door to another room on the same floor. He stated the shooter couldn't have opened that door (since he didn't have a key). The undersheriff said it was just a coincidence that the alarm went off for another room at the same time or just before the shooting started.

    That makes more sense than the shooters door being left ajar.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/us/las-vegas-shooting-investigation/index.html
     
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    And, he was 64 years old!
     
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    True, but how young were the accomplices.......

    :oops:
     
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    Hey, has anybody thought about the next time we try to get upgraded rooms at check-in? Most of us prefer higher floors and good views. I think I would be a little nervous now about asking for these specifics.
     
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    Sonya, thanks for keeping us informed on the situation. So hard because so much misinformation and hearsay is being distributed. I also hate that some news channels keep trying to profile the shooter or giving their "expert" opinions on the guy even though they have no real information to base their opinion on. As others have mentioned, nothing more than a ploy to keep people watching or to increase ratings.
     
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    On the topic in the other thread, about *reported* (but not actual) shootings at other casinos, it reminded me of the live dispatch audio.

    For those interested and willing to endure it, I recommend the raw LV police dispatch audio:


    It's a long listen, but it tells a compelling story about the entire event. It will also impress upon you just how brave and heroic Jesus Campos and the LV Police were. And how talk about their "slow response" is nonsense.

    And if you listen long enough, you will get a feel for how the misinformation on additional shooters evolved. The police received a sequence of reports of other shooters at other casinos. First NYNY, then Tropicana. Then several minutes later, Aria. Then later yet, Bellagio. And then Caesars. You can almost picture the panic traveling up the Strip, leading to reports of gunfire at each place. All of which had to be treated as serious by the police, until they could confirm no other shootings. Which indeed turned out to be the case.
     
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    Sure. Now you might get a small explosion with that. But fuel is only explosive at a very specific ratio mixture with oxygen, which you don't miraculously get for the entire content of a jet fuel tank with just a bit of tannerite.

    I don't dispute that the shooter may have been thinking about trying to do this. I only dispute the idea that it could have been plausibly accomplished.
     
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    Thought they said a tracer bullet which he tried and couldn't buy.
     
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    Wouldn't give it a second thought.
     
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    This annoys me. I assume what happened is that someone overheard there was "a shooting", referring to the one at MBay, and made assumptions. Others heard what they wanted to hear and started to spread the rumor around to other guests that it was in the place they were standing. I've heard a lot of people insisting it happened, but I have been looking and nobody has any footage or images of damage or bullet holes. It's like that old "telephone" game. The problem, and why I think it angers the LVMPD, is that they had to pull resources from an actual emergency situation to track down false claims. Same goes for these people on social media insisting they follow up on conspiracy theories, no matter how often they tell them they have not found any evidence that backs that up. It just takes up resources they'd rather use to follow up on actual information.

    I want all the answers right this minute, like everyone else, but I understand how these investigations work. They are doing the best they can with a frustrating investigation. Eventually they will give us what they find.
     
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    CNN: the 'tracer purchase'...not successful because there was no inventory for sale. It's not like he was denied the rounds for any sort of legal reason. A few states - generally viewed 'not gun friendly' ban the purchase of tracer / incendiary rounds and/or mail order bulk ammo. Nevada is considered 'gun friendly'. http://www.theamericanmarksman.com/state-restrictions_ep_42.html.

    Also, while a tracer may assist in knowing where your rounds are impacting, they also reveal your firing position, so - if the intent was to remain in defilade as long as possible, using tracers would have been a bad idea.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/us/las-vegas-shooting-investigation/
     
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