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The mass shooting near Mandalay Bay

Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by grosx2, Oct 1, 2017.

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  1. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Sadly I'm waiting to hear what gambling details come out of this. They make this guy sound like he's more serious about VP than I am!



    Someone who has made his living playing and promoting the game. A lot of VP players who have studied up on the game are at least aware of him. Same goes for Jean Scott ("The Queen of Comps").
     
  2. martinr

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    He may have not been more serious, just deeper pockets!
     
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  3. RickyRicardo

    RickyRicardo Low-Roller

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    I haven't heard anything about him visiting those outdoor shooting ranges they have in Vegas. It's been said he had no military training and all that.......he for sure could have learned at those ranges and with that I think he did this all on his own.
     
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    I never served. I'm not in law enforcement. But I've handled plenty of guns in my day, including the type of stuff this guy was trying to replicate. And any monkey can load a magazine and squeeze out a blur of rounds, and repeat it over and over and over. This isn't some sniper methodically taking down people from a long distance. It was load and unload, as much and as quickly as possible.
     
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  5. Sonya

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    I saw another article last night that confirmed that the blue heart is for the police officer who was killed.

    I can't seem to wrap my brain around the physics of the fuel, tannerite and bullets.

    There was a CNN story about him trying to obtain tracer rounds, but again, I lack the knowledge to understand if this could have made a difference. My gun knowledge is hunting with grandpa as a kid, shooting beer cans in the woods as a teen/young-adult, and one series of classes when I considered a handgun for self-defense when I was in real estate management.

    McCarran had a statement on their facebook page about the tanks that said, in part;

    I didn't see anything specifically from LVMPD yesterday and both press conferences I saw were very general info about victims' families and status updates about the charity funds and meetings to decide how to disperse them. FWIW, the casinos have been pretty generous in their donations, even the little guys.

    There might not have been a big press conference because the LVMPD was having the memorial for Officer Hartfield yesterday evening. Or they just didn't have anything new to give us.

    There was a NYT interview with the Sheriff, but the only thing new I saw in there was about the note at the heart of many theories. He said that there was no suicide note or manifesto. The note just had a bunch of numbers and they are trying to figure out what they are.

    The only other thing I saw yesterday was two different people, part of the investigation, needing to come out and restate that there is currently no evidence this is part of an international terrorist conspiracy. I wish people would stop feeding this until we have evidence to indicate otherwise. I've seen a lot of conspiracy theories from blogs, media, social media and, even worse, representatives, who don't even pretend there are facts that directly refute their claims. Let's try to keep this thread to the facts we know at this time.

    And, lastly, the Clark County Coroner released a full list of all the people killed.
    http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/public-communications/Pages/Clark-County-Coroner-Releases-Names-of-Deceased-from-Oct--1-Mass-Shooting.aspx

    It makes me sad to see how many of the names on that list were born after I had the idea to start this silly little website. It's so senseless. :( RIP.
     
  6. UKFanatic

    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    One of my former clients is friends with a SWAT team member in Vegas. He knows I go to Vegas a lot, so he sent me some pics of the room his swat buddy sent to him. Very grisly scene. I don't envy the people who were first on the scene after they blew the door
     
  7. RickyRicardo

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    Kinda what I thought as well. I guess it's just a lot of those conspiracy nuts saying "he couldn't have done that without military training!"
     
  8. RickyRicardo

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    What I find strange is how some of those grisly photos leaked out.......especially the one of him dead on the floor in a pool of blood.
     
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    "I never served. I'm not in law enforcement. But I've handled plenty of guns in my day, including the type of stuff this guy was trying to replicate. And any monkey can load a magazine and squeeze out a blur of rounds, and repeat it over and over and over. This isn't some sniper methodically taking down people from a long distance. It was load and unload, as much and as quickly as possible."


    There is a lot of Land in vegas where you can shoot without going to the range. He must have found a place.

    The guy from the start targeted a large crowd. A concert. I wouldnt doubt if he proceeded it by shooting where the large crowd are running. Very easy to get victims if you think about it. Thats where he must be hitting his victim. So what I learned from this shooting is don't follow the crowd and run the other way. Run alone. You will be a harder target. Now if he had a list of the 58 victims and he killed them according to the list then thats another story.
     
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  10. Sonya

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    He lived in Mesquite. I'm pretty sure there are ranges and open land out there.
     
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    That pic was included in the set I received. So I don;t really find it strange at all that these pics are leaking. Frighteningly, the pics leaked to my client included pics that were much more grisly. The one I saw circulating online earlier this week was the most tame :vomit:
     
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    Sadly this is true because it is not true accepted in society as an actual illness, more , what is wrong with you sort of thing...
     
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    Open range and three states of desert all around, and two are FFL states.
     
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  14. Sonya

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    I'm pretty sure Lombardo would like to talk to you about the source of these photos. ;) He seemed really pissed that they got out so quickly.
     
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    Well to them, the don’t “make waves” that draw attention VP players is crap imo of course.
     
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    shokhead No big spender unless eating drinking having fun!

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    I haven't heard a single person say anything about he couldn't have done that without military training. I never gave that a thought and still don't.
     
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    This is just one article, which I put no stock in to begin with, but I did see a lot of this garbage being written. normally I ignore theory's like these, but in this case I've been sort of glancing through some just trying to get any info as to what might have happened
    .https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-02-lone-gunman-theory-of-las-vegas-shooter-is-complete-nonsense-stephen-paddock.html
     
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    Indeed. I'm no expert, but I would guess that targeting a specific person in a crowd, in darkness from a perch 1/4 mile away, requires extensive military or military-like training, innate talent, and perhaps even a smart (i.e. laser or other technologically guided) weapon. If your target is as many people as possible in a crowd of 20,000, probably not so much.

    This article says he never went to the only gun range in the mesquite area. That said, news reporters often get the little details wrong; I saw another article yesterday that described the El Cortez (from where he apparently cased the LIB festival) as across the street from the Mandalay Bay. But I agree that there is no shortage of open space there, and he seems to have been someone who doesn't mind driving.

    Ugh. This is so upsetting. My condolences to everyone involved. My wife has a friend/colleague who was at the 91 festival and recounted her story of running with her husband, losing track of him for about 5 minutes and fearing that he was dead, but then they found each other and ran to the Tropicana. At the time, they thought it was a terrorist attack (not to say that it was or wasn't, but potentially coordinated with other simultaneous attacks) so they remained in lockdown hiding in a stairwell at the Tropicana most of the night. They finally returned to their room at the Luxor around 6:00 am. Her cell phone was dead so she was unable to call her parents who were staying with her kids here in San Diego. She hasn't been able to sleep since. They left their personal belongings at the venue.

    I may have some of the details of this story wrong but that is the gist of it.

    Thanks to Sonya for keeping this discussion and maintaining your politics-free policy. The divisiveness I see on some other web sites and social media is very distressing.
     
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    From wiki:
    Just saying.
     
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    Absolutely agree, 100%.

    Me and weaponry go way back. I even live in a state that, on the map, looks like a pistol (tilt your head that way). This guy unloaded some magazines into a mass of targets. That's it. A 'sniper' in the most liberal application of that word. I guarantee, it takes no skill or training to do what this guy did. All it took was access to the necessary tools. As for the attempt to buy tracer rounds, not sure how that's gonna shake out. I've bought them. Only time I couldn't is when they were out of inventory. Guns ain't complex.

    What if it turns out that 'we' don't ever get a satisfactory answer vis-a-vis motivation? Nothing that 'we' would understand. What if, like some other killers, this was just the desire to kill? Personally, I have no problem with guys like this, just walking into the back yard and gnawing on their revolver. No need to take innocent lives. If you wanna cash out, don't let me get in your way. Why the suicide after the event? Didn't he want to stick around and become a jailhouse celebrity? He could have just sat in the room, hands up...surrendered. Plus, I'd think that this would be something a much younger man would engage in.

    Lots of questions. Not many satisfying answers. 'Course, when it comes to stuff like this, we're not gonna get any awards for our patience. :nono:
     
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