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Table Games The Death Of The Low Rolling Tables Player In Las Vegas

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Breeze147, Jan 8, 2020.

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  1. Breeze147

    Breeze147 Button Man

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    Those of us who fall into this category have been pushed out the casino door in Las Vegas.

    You can't find decent Blackjack rules under $10. Even 3:2, if you can find one, have some sort of gimmick side bet.

    You won't find $5 Craps unless you get up early in the morning or play in some Fremont St. shit hole.

    Yes, the truth is out. Fremont St. casinos, all of them, are shit holes.

    To endure all of the negatives is not worth it.

    As those noted savants, Aerosmith, put it - Eat the rich, it's the only thing that they are good for.

    As a noted golf writer and gourmand, a denizen of these very pages, put it, it's death by a thousand small cuts.

    Enjoy the Las Vegas of your dreams, mi amigos, it has a definite time stamp on it.
     
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  2. Glenn357M

    Glenn357M High-Roller

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    Good stuff Breeze! Agreed
     
  3. Dutch34

    Dutch34 High-Roller

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    Well said!
     
  4. tex55

    tex55 High-Roller

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    Agree! I would add that it's becoming difficult to find a $10 craps table on the Strip during the weekend. I realized a few years ago that they don't really want our business; they want millennials who will spend thousands on dining and clubs.
     
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    mjames1229 # of visits includes only trips w/ hotel stays

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    This oughta be good... :popcorn:
     
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    Bowling the USBC National tournament, I hope.
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  6. grosx2

    grosx2 Have fun storming the castle!

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    I've never stayed downtown, but I've walked around there a handful of times. I thought the Golden Nugget was pretty nice, at least above "shit hole" status...
     
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  7. UKFanatic

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    IMO, it seems like there are fewer options for low rollers, but I wouldn't go so far as to say its dead. Just walk around any casino and I still see plenty of low rollers. The BJ rules are worse for low rollers, but as many on here have lamented (repeatedly) people still flock to and play those games.

    It does seem that less expensive games are easier to find downtown than on the Strip. While I generally agree that the high end Strip resorts have nicer casinos, I can't say that the Fremont Street casinos are all shitholes. I don't spend much time in them. They feel crowded to me and sometimes too smoky, but not what i would also call a shithole.

    Finally, one other thought the OP and others may disagree with, but I stand firmly behind it: $10 minimums are low roller levels. It seems the OP is upset with the lack of $5 craps games. I agree, there are fewer of those to be found, but $10 ius still a low roller game. A $10 minimum craps game costs the gambler, on average, a few more dollars an hour to play. If you agree that $10 is a low roller game, then there are plenty of those all over Vegas
     
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  8. buckeyetodd

    buckeyetodd High-Roller

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    If I remember correctly, when Jay Sarno built Circus Circus, he said everyone is fighting for the gambling dollars, he’s willing to take the nickels. Vegas has too many luxury hotels/casinos imo
     
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  9. gailtherese

    gailtherese Upper Middle Class ?!

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    I have never stayed downtown because of the freak show (i’ve Heard) it has become on Fremont Street. That and the NOISE. Last June, the M and Green Valley Ranch both had the correct BJ rules at $10; I think even $5. (I typically play $10.). And I am pretty sure you can still play for $5-10 at Gold Coast and Palms.); where I will be in six weeks!
     
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    We are all creatures of habit....

    I’ve always been comfortable playing craps at the $15 level. Win a few grand and I still can’t bump it up to $25 start....psychological barrier?

    In 25 years, I will probably be saying the same thing....
     
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    Breeze, check out Casino Royale. When I was there in September, they had a single deck 3:2 game.

    They even serve Coors Banquet beer.

    If anyone is out there and can confirm, that would be great.

    The Blackjack rules, not the beer.
     
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    You don't have to play the gimmick side bet.

    Also, $10 today is just about the same buying power as $5 in 1990.

    To each their own as to what constitutes a **** hole, but if you are playing red chip blackjack flat with no side bets, you should be playing in a **** hole, and I include myself in that. That is roughly the equivalent of paying 7.99 for your steak special. You're not going to get a prime cut, and you're not going to get a fancy location nor a respected brand.

    If you put 6 people at a 3:2 soft 17 BJ table playing minimum bet basic strategy, the casino will make about 8 dollars on ALL of them in a typical hour. Now of course most don't play perfectly, many bet more than the minimum, etc. But that was 8 dollars before paying dealers, pit bosses, security, the cashiers cage, giving you drinks or turning the lights on. A place that has to offer a game like that is not going to be all fancy and new. By your standards, it will be a **** hole.
     
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    My anecdotal feeling is I've seen a bigger change in craps than in blackjack. 21 conditions haven't really changed materially in CET on Strip casinos in the last 5+ years. It became impossible to find a $5 craps table when I used to be able to find them at Harrahs and Margaritaville.
     
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    If your goal is to gamble a bunch at low limits, yeah, off Strip will have you better covered.
     
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    when you are running a billion dollar casino, you might also prefer to cater to gamblers who can afford $10-$15 table mins. If you can fill the rooms and tables with better players, why bother with offering lower level tables? Funnel those people to the bubble craps games and video 21.
     
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    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    OMG, I'm a piece of shit playing at shitholes Downtown.:):D:thumbsup:;)
     
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    Well, then, they are going to have to do it without me as part of the equation. I am permanently at a 2012 buying power.
     
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    inflation
     
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    mbely1000 Low-Roller

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    For me, it's not so much the death of low limit tables, it's the constant push from the casinos to develop new games and change old games so the casino advantage gets more and more ridiculous. Crappy BJ rules, crappy craps odds limits, three zero roulette; things like that make Vegas a less desirable destination. The only thing more infuriating are watching the morons playing these games in droves which only perpetuates the Vegas greed.
     
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  20. Breeze147

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    I beg to differ. I have no problem playing BJ at $10 or even $15, but $15 puts me out of my comfort zone. $25 is out of the question.

    I don't know why there isn't at least one person who can read between the lines.
     
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