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Table Games The craziest thing I’ve ever seen at a craps table

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  1. 44inarow

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    Goes both ways. At least in terms of the NBA players I've come across, Barkley is widely regarded to be one of the nicest, most generous, but low-key players out there. He once said he regretted only tipping $25k to a dealer. MJ... not so much.
     
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  2. Scottndindy

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    People handle wealth differently but a lot of the time you can tell who is “trying” to be wealthy and who actually is. A lot of the time the people being flashy to try to show it they aren’t the real deal. The people that are just themselves and don’t try to flaunt it and don’t talk about it generally are. The real high rollers generally aren’t yelling and screaming. Their bets are just like yours or mine but adjusted for their bankroll. Losing $5 for me is like losing $5000 for him. No reaction. If there is one they are over betting their bankroll.
     
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    I hate it when that happens too.
     
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    A personal story:

    In 2014 (I think) I was playing Dice at Caesars -- $25 min table with about 10 players total with everyone betting greens and blacks. As the shooter I hit a nice roll, making perhaps seven or eight points with a lot of numbers before finally rolling a seven. At that point I told the dealer to put a box over my chips in the rail because I needed to go to the bathroom.

    Two or three minutes later I return to the table and nothing is happening. The other players are all standing around looking at me. The dice are in the middle of the table. I ask, "What happened? What did I miss?"

    The dealer tells me: "Your last seven was a Come Out roll. You won your Pass Line bet but lost your Come bets but we saved your odds. No one at the table wanted to finish your roll so the dice passed back to you. Still your dice Mr. M."
     
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  5. FABismonte

    FABismonte Tell my wife I am "about even."

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    Here is my true story about six years ago at the Harrahs Rincon (now Harrahs Southern California Resort)

    A Nose-Bleed Story on Hot Craps Table --
    For those not familiar with Rincon, craps there differs from other craps I have played. First, while dice are involved, the dice only indicate which cards should be flipped over from the 12 cards spread face down on the table prior to each roll. Second, almost every player has a captain’s chair. Third, there is a $5 limit on a Fire Bet and while you can bet up to a buck for the dealer, the aggregate active fire bets for the dealer is $5 on the pay out.

    I buy in for $500 and place a maximum of $5 on the fire bet as I always do and choose to put a buck for the dealers as well. I place a $10 pass line (with full odds) and put $30 each on the six and eight It first I make some money but none after I start pressing. Then I start losing money. So now I have only $350 in my rack and the next shooter is a guy in his late 20s with about a thousand dollars in his rack, second to the left of the box. He picks up the dice, sets them and throws. I am not sure what he set the dice at and frankly since we are playing a card craps game, I have no idea why it makes any difference on setting dice.

    Well, he gets a point of six to start his rolling and after a few rolls including other point numbers, he hits it. He then gets another six and then after quite a few rolls hits it. Then he does the same for the eight, then five. During this time he is hitting some hardways and I bet either $5 or $10 on the hardways and make some money. But never hits when I press the hardways. I am making money but do not press much of my bets during this time. BTW, he rolled a “three – four” and a “one-six” on the dice (one was red, the other green) but the associated cards were never a seven. So although a total of seven was rolled several times, an actual seven was not made on the table. For once I was quite happy with card craps. It actually got kind of fun when the dealer flipped one card, then hesitated and slowly flipped the other to reveal a hard eight – making me $90.

    I now had about a thousand in chips in my rack and so broke even from the trip. I did not want to splash all the chips back on the table to press them as I was committed to not going to bed a loser. At this point, I saw the shooter asking the guy to his right to hand him a Kleenex box. The player reached into the pit and held open the box and the shooter grabbed a few tissues. I assumed he wanted to blow his nose, but after a while I saw that the shooter’s nose was bleeding. The game was paused as he took care of his plumbing and the dealers warned him to not put blood on the dice. I guess it was some kind of biohazard. The shooter then gets a point of four. If he repeats it, the fire bet players get paid 25 for 1. In my case it would mean at least $125 fire bet for four unique points. He rolls, then rolls, then rolls eventually the cards are flipped and it is a “one” and “three” for the fire bet hit.

    Everyone at the table is happy. We had a pretty full at our table at the start of the roll and I count eleven fire bets out there all at the $5 limit, with eight of them with a one chip bet for the dealers. The only fire bet numbers not hit are the nine and the 10. A bunch of players, including me, make a nine and 10 hop bet but the shooter rolls another 4 on the come out. He then disappears to the nearest bathroom to take care of his nose bleed. It was weird, but for about five minutes there was no action on the table (other than a player adding a new bet once in a while). No one was angry at the shooter – after all we all knew he was bleeding and besides – he was making us money and no one wanted the luck to change.

    So the shooter eventually shows up again and then rolls, then rolls, then rolls and finally gets another four. Now we set up a bunch of nine and 10 on the hop bets but once again, it is a four! But soon afterwards, he hits the four – pay the line!
    By the way, I as making line bets for the dealers and also placed $6 bets on the six and eight for the dealers with instructions to keep them up. So the dealers are making money from me on all those rolls.

    Once again the shooter comes out with a bunch (including me) on the nine and 10 on the hop – and he rolls a ten!. For some reason, the stick pays everyone but me. I complain – loudly – and demand payment. The stick guy was confused as to who bet and did not think I did. Well I am a friendly guy, and I am making bets for the dealers, but I refuse to be cheated.

    Eventually, the stick talks to the pit boss and I finally get paid over some grumbling. I am irritated. But since I got paid, I calm down. I had thought about laying against the fifth fire bet number as insurance but decided it was not worth it facing a point of ten. After two rolls, the cards are flipped revealing a “four” and a “six”! Yippee! That is five fire bet numbers. Eight players, including yours truly, just made at least $1,250 on the fire bet! This is the first time I had been on a five fire bet that paid off.

    After the table calms down, the players start loading up the nine “on the hop”. I, however, refuse to do so since it was so hard for to get paid on that bet --even when I won. The shooter rolls and sets a point of five. I now start to aggressively parley my bets. He rolls and rolls and then hits the five – pay the line. The shooter then set and hits another point (not the nine). Then he establishes yet another four, then sevens out.

    We never get to a point of nine to set up up a six point fire bet, but a big round of applause is given. After the regular bets are taken cared of, the Fire Bets are paid. I see ten $25 chips placed behind five fire bets for the dealers. Only the first five dollars bet for the dealers are paid the fire bet payoff. The other three $1 fire bets for the dealers are simply dropped into the tip box. But there were plenty of smiles for the dealers as they dropped $1,250 in chips from the fire bet into the tip box. I did not feel bad I did not bet on the fire for the dealers as it would have been ineligible for the bonus.

    In the meantime, during that 55 minute roll (one hour minus 5 minute bathroom break) a couple of players bought in and since they were ineligible to make a Fire Bet at that time, they looked enviously at the payoffs being made. But I happily took my own $1,250 payment for the fire bet and put them in my shirt pocket. The players then passed the dice around the table back to the “nose bleed kid” who hit two points before sevening out.
     
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    Yep. One of those "act like you've been there before" things. And if you haven't, ask, nobody's going to judge.
     
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    I nominate this thread for the Best of 2021.
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    I’m thinking that this story might have been taken out of context and spun...LOL.

    I’m pretty sure both are notorious gamblers. One could have had a BIG night gambling, while the other didn’t. Heck, if I won a million...I would probably be as generous as CB.

    They would both run out of money quickly leaving those kinds of tips every time they go out...LOL.
     
  9. UKFanatic

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    I have not seen MJ play, but I have heard the same stories about him in the casino. As for Barkley, I played next to him for an evening at MB several years ago. He was playing one to two spots of BJ at $20k a hand on each spot. At the end of the night, I know he was down (a dealer told me later somewhere in the neighborhood of $175k) and I still watched him tip $10k when he left for his suite
     
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    I leave a tip....win/lose. Not anywhere close to those denominations. But it’s all relative. If I win...I leave more...

    Fight weekend? I saw him there one morning....larger than life character. Said good morning to everyone in the casino.
     
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  11. Dr Nostron

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    I have never played card craps - not sure if I would like it unless of course somebody rolled for an hour !! What is the point of having dice and cards??

    Barkley has a reputation as a great tipper - MJs is one of a cheapskate
     
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    I can just say from first-hand experience that I can echo UK's experiences and encounters.
     
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    These are all from Palazzo from my early trips when I mostly played craps. You really had to be there.

    Some nerdy middle-aged guy with mad scientist hair is just standing off to my side tracking the rolls on a little notepad, not playing. He tells me he's a math professor from Tampa or something. After about 20 mins, he starts predicting the rolls, "Next one should be a ..." and that went about how you'd imagine, maybe worse.

    Chinese guy with his rack loaded with $500s and $1,000s. He would turn his back to the table and throw a few chips over his shoulder and whatever betting spot they landed closest to, that's what he'd bet.

    Deep graveyard this really out of it young girl is playing at the end of the table and she is just barely hanging on and by hanging on I mean literally bent over at a 90 degree angle at the waist with her feet way back from the table splayed out wider than shoulder width, arms grabbing the end of the table and her head barely above it. Managed to shoot though, she would just kind of shove her arm forward and drop the dice. Somehow people on smack never fall down, I don't know how they do it. I couldn't believe they were letting her play, they must have known her.

    Wicked old mostly toothless geezer in a wheelchair with a blanket gets pushed up to the table by a young assistant of undertermined A/S/L (remember A/S/L? lol). Plays the don't, wins a lot. All I can picture is the guy getting wheeled back to his room and the Sister Christian scene from Boogie Nights playing out with the assistant traipsing around lighting off firecrakers or some shit.
     
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  14. nottooshabby

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    Many years ago after Andrew Bynum was traded to the Sixers and it was obvious that he was NEVER going to suit up for them, my wife and I saw him at Caesar's Atlantic City playing by himself at a $25 craps table. It appeared that both he and the crew were actively trying to recruit people to join him, but no one took them up on the offer.
     
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    Two scenarios that I've witnessed once, but haven't seen repeated again:

    1. Back in the day... at the old Crystal Palace (Nassau), a guy was playing big $$$, literally and figuratively, at the craps table... The chips were bigger than "regular" chips and were a color I've never seen before...turns out they were 50K each...he had 1 unit on the pass line and 2X odds (150K at risk)....the point was a 4, which was made....250K profit....

    2. A guy had $5 on hard 8...it hit, so he parlayed it to $50...it hit again, parlayed to $500...it hit again....he said, "$5000 and down"...
     
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    The one I remember the most was in Atlantic City well over a decade ago. Guy in a bright purple suit, and a woman on the other side of the table had the dice. He was yelling, "KEEP SINGING, GIRL. WE GONNA MAKE SOME MONEY, I'M GONNA TAKE YOU SHOPPING, GIRL. I'LL TAKE YOU SHOPPING, GIRL."

    To this day, my friend and I still use "I'll take you shopping, girl" with each other.
     
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    It's a California thing. There's a regulation that basically said outcomes can't be determined solely by dice. I have a feeling that's why they're deploying the "Roll To Win" electronic tables, because that straddles the line.
     
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    I don’t know how crazy, but I was playing craps at Caesars at $10 or $15 table probably 10 or 15 years ago. I’m shooting don’t remember whether it was the start of a roll or coming out after a made point, Antoine Walker walks up and quickly puts a stack of $5000 chips probably $50 to $60,000 dollars on the pass line. I point seven out and he walks away. Probably one reason he went bankrupt after making over $100 million in NBA
     
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    FABismonte Tell my wife I am "about even."

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    I think the California regulations mandate cards being involved for table games. That’s why even roulette in California has some weird use of cards associated with the place the ball falls into

    Edited in light of @44inarow clarification
     
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    It's not "only" cards, but cards have to be involved in some way. You can have dice as long as there are cards, similar with the roulette ball thing. I can't find the source at the moment, but I remember reading that it's a weird historical artifact related to the presence of the naval industry, and they didn't want sailors on leave shooting craps at underground games.

    I'm curious how the Roll To Win thing is going to play out. My guess is that the argument is that it should be considered an electronic game, rather than a true live table (for which cards would be required), but this is all brand-new. The things just showed up in Vegas last week.
     
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