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The Bartenders Love Me. A CaptainJack Trip Report.

Discussion in 'Vegas Trip Reports' started by CaptainJack, Mar 8, 2015.

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  1. shifter

    shifter Degenerate Gambler

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    hmmm, very interesting. I've never heard it work that way before.

    I bet they changed it recently because that makes it better for the casino.
     
  2. newmans

    newmans VIP Whale

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    Really enjoyed your report. Congrats on the royals!
     
  3. Kickin

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    Awesome report and congrats on the final win! Even without the royals that was a great trip, the royals are sweet bonus.

    By the way, that $450/nt rate you're using for the Sky Suites is it your estimate or is that the actual comp rate they use?

    I've found that going to the MLife desk is a really easy way to get any numbers you want. The key is to be specific about what stats you want, and you know this stuff as good or better than anyone so you won't have a problem with that. So if you're host isn't giving you your theo just ask them. They will split it between table and slots as well.

    Yeah seriously. I just play single line so instead of $1000 in a minute, make it 3 minutes. Then I ratchet it up to $50. After a while it feels almost futile because only a royal or quick string of quads can bring you back.

    I kind of want to damn you to hell by the way since some of your early reports helped influence me to play video poker in the first place. :poke:
     
  4. Universal

    Universal High-Roller

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    Great report. Congrats on a nice winning trip.
     
  5. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Nice report!
     
  6. CaptainJack

    CaptainJack Low-Roller

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    I used to use $500/nt but a higher player than me suggested that might be a little high for the comp rate they use internally based on what he's seen at MGM for SkyLofts. I might be a tad high still with $450/nt...I stayed 4 nights Sat-Wed, so there's a chance Sat was higher and the remaining 3 were lower.

    Sorry for giving you your first few dime bags of the crack that is VP. The key is to not play more than you planned to play and left the math even you out in the long-run. Of course...best laid plans...and in the long-run we're all dead.
     
  7. Malibugolfer

    Malibugolfer High-Roller

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    Really enjoy reading your reports.
    For future reference the end Sky Suites 1 BR's are those ending in 001. I much prefer their different floor plan when I use them.
    Also prefer the 036 regular Penthouses to the 037's which are called Panoramics but less preferable IMHO. Both are end units also.
    Great report.
     
  8. The Ost

    The Ost Low-Roller

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    Interesting report. I doubt i'd ever bet at those numbers, so I like the knowledge of what that level of bet provides int terms of comps and service.
     
  9. Mnracer

    Mnracer Tourist

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    Very interesting report - congrats on the positive outcome! Look forward to seeming more reports in the future!
     
  10. luvstp

    luvstp High-Roller

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    Great report--loved seeing those royals! I was at Aria in January and I swear the only quads I seemed to hit were at the sports bar.....those machines outside high limit were just mean!

    I haven't been on here in many months as we've moved to the Reno/Carson City area and gamble 2-3 times per week here rather than Vegas, but I still try to catch up on a few trip reports. Thanks for posting and hope you hit many more royals next time.
     
  11. tnyqst

    tnyqst Tourist

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    Thanks for the trip report. It is inspiring me to play VP when I go next week. Just want a little bit of your luck...
     
  12. meyers67

    meyers67 VIP Whale

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    CaptainJack-

    I'm also a VP junkie. What are your thoughts on tipping on hand pays? I thInk you said you gave a bartender $100 on one of the $20k royals and a slot attendant $60 another time. If your policy usually in that ballpark? What about a typical $4k royal?

    I've heard people say 2% is the standard, but that seems high. I tip similar to you, but sometimes I feel that isnt enough. But it's really just 10 minutes of "work" for them.

    Thoughts?
     
  13. Wezvidz

    Wezvidz High-Roller

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    For reference, I tipped $60 on a $2400 royal at Cosmo and was talked shit about when I later overheard the bartender talking to another. A friend of mine with passion tips nothing to any attendants or bartenders because he asks why should I? I tend to agree but feel the social pressure to do so.
     
  14. meyers67

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    I typically tip $20 on a minimum hand pay like the one you had, but that's to the slot attendant at a local casino (not vegas). I don't play on bartops, but I expect that bartenders seem to feel that they deserve even more. If I overheard negative comments about a tip I felt was generous, it would really piss me off.
     
  15. CaptainJack

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    I generally tip 1% or less if I can get away with it. I top out at $100. If I hit for $1250 or $20,000...it's really the same amount of work for the slot attendant (unless I ask for a check or if I ask them to cancel some markers for me with the jackpot). $100 tip to do your job seems pretty generous to me. So on $4k, I'd normally tip $40...unless service is slow for no apparent reason, in which case I'll tip half as much. Now with the bartenders, it's a different story...and maybe I should have explained it better in my TR. When you play at a bar-top, it is expected you'll need to tip the bartenders as well as the slot attendant. On the first royal, I gave the bartender $100 (keep in mind, I just drink water at the bar). What did he do to facilitate my good fortune? Really nothing. I just like the guy. On the second royal, with bartenders I didn't know as well, I tipped $60. Did they talk shit about me afterwards? I don't know...they may have. However, considering how other bartenders knew about it later in the trip and congratulated me on the hit...I didn't sense any ill-will on their part. Since I regularly play at these bar-tops and since I play denominations which trigger handpays, I find the tipping to be a cost of doing business. They've saved my machine on bathroom breaks or changed the channels of the overhead TV's to my preference on numerous occasions. I've hit a few big jackpots at this bar and my tipping has been consistent...so I really don't think they expect more or less from me. Also, I always tip $5 on my first drink, which is almost always water.

    As a Jacks or Better or Bonus Poker player primarily, jackpots are infrequent enough that tip-sizing is not a big deal. Now, if I played a game like DDB at the $5 level where every 4oak is a handpay, then tipping becomes a bigger deal. If a game has a short return and you tip 2% on each handpay, you effectively lower the return even more due to the frequency of handpays. 4oaks occur roughly every 400 hands or so...for a fast player that's 2 an hour. If you're tipping away $60-80/hr on top of the $400/hr expected loss rate...well, you'll find yourself in the hole pretty deep. In my case, my expected loss rate is $100/hr and I can expect to go 11 hrs between handpay situations....plus I make most of my loss back in comps anyway.
     
  16. Tbone3336

    Tbone3336 VIP Whale

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    Loved the report and all the final details on comps/theo and the like! Thanks for taking all the effort to remember it all and let us in on it, it is very interesting and congrats again on the win!! Thanks again Captain.
     
  17. meyers67

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    Captain Jack -

    You had $390,000 coin in with a theo of $9,750 which is about 2.5% of the coin in. I'm assuming you are using a combination of slot and VP theos in your calculation. What theo are you using for the $5 9/6 JOB at ARIA and the $5 9/6 JOB multi-line at MGM?
     
  18. D in the D

    D in the D Oldest ride, Longest Line

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    Awesome report, fantastic hits (and pics), perfect level of detail. Well done, Sir!
     
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