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Switching from Caesars Rewards to Mlife

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Trifecta47, Feb 22, 2021 at 8:55 AM.

  1. Trifecta47

    Trifecta47 Newbie

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    After years of being Diamond players at Caesars, my wife and I are thinking about switching over to Mlife.

    Basically neither of us have never really spent any time at other properties outside of the Caesars family. (We've visited all the casinos on the strip while walking around.)

    We've been very happy with TR but my wife would just like to stay at some different places. We typically end up with around 15k to 20k TR tier points (including bonus points) over a 3 day trip on almost 100% slot play. We go 3 times a year and usually end with 50k+.

    Our host takes good care of us but I'm not under any illusion that we're just getting anything other than what their algorithms say we should get.

    My question is will this translate into similar comps at Mlife? Free weekend rooms and most everything comped off the back end. At Caesars, we'll typically have around $300 to $500 comped off at the end which our host just takes care of. (By that I mean we just leave and text him on the way to airport and he'll take whatever he can off the room charges and we just pay the remainder.)

    Any feedback would be appreciated.

    Thanks!
     
  2. Basil

    Basil VIP Whale

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    Do you know how much coin in you usually have on a 3 day trip? With the bonuses it becomes difficult to tell. Can probably give you a ballpark based on that.
     
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  3. UKFanatic

    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    I don't play enough slots to know what kind of play warrants that amount of tier points and comps at Caesars. But if you're looking for free rooms (including weekends) and $100 to $150 a day in room charges, I think you can get that at mlife with comparable play. It may depend on which mlife resorts you're looking at. Keep in mind, they have the highest of the high end boutique towers in their properties all the way down to Excalibur. I would think you can get comparable comps, at the least, at the mlife low and mid tier properties
     
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    We have slowly made the move over but still active in both. We generally get our rooms at Mlife/MGM as they are a bit nicer. If multiple days, we do some at CET and pick up some promo, or whatever.

    Keep in mind that Bellagio and Aria are high end in the MGM world and comps are harder to get there. They seem to be rather tight on backend as well - in my experience.

    Also, I assume you put all your play on ONE card/account vs two separate ones.

    I would give Mirage, NYNY, or MBay a try.
     
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  5. mrstealth

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    It sounds like CET is taking pretty good care of you, just curious what you think Mlife is going to give you compared to what you are already receiving? Based on the amount of coin in you mentioned in the original post I am not sure MGM will even be able to match CET when you factor in MGM resort fees which are around $40 per night.

    As the previous posted mentioned you may want to just spend part of your next trip giving MGM some play - combine your play on either your or your spouse's card and see what kind of offers you start to receive.
     
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  6. JulianC

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    I'll do my best before we get a more official answer.

    With Caesars Rewards, you can't reach 15-20k TC over three days without having at least two of those days be Platinum in a Day -- 2500 base TC + 5k TC bonus. To make this estimate easy, let's call it 100% slots, and go with a total of 7k base TCs earned -- or $35k slot coin-in. As always, average machine hold at 10 percent. None of my estimates will take additional out-of-pocket resort spend into account.

    The trip theo would be around $3500. The VMB standard comp value would be 30% of that, or $1050.

    Starting from 0 TC and the base tier level, that kind of play in a single trip would get you all the way to Mlife Gold with 116667 TC. After tier bonuses along the way, and presuming that you don't play any specialty slots, you would get 13k points (worth $130 of free play or $130 of Express Comps if you convert them) and about $120 of Express Comps. (Without a promotional multiplier, the same play with CET would get you just $70 worth of reward credits if redeemed for resort spend, or just a mere $35 worth of RCs if redeemed for machine free play.) In just two typical trips, you are comfortably making Mlife Platinum (if tier matters; it's just not as valuable with MGM as it used to be).

    With MGM, you would be able to comfortably get the best non-suite rooms comped on a weekend and have $300-400 left in the comp bucket (since they are likely going to count the resort fee -- charged to you or not -- as part of the comp value).

    Let's have some fun and look at this for Cosmo. Starting from 0 Identity points (both for spending and for tier), the first trip of three for the year would get you up to 14k Identity tier points -- into Sterling, and almost into Gold. With the 2x tier bonus for points earned from slot play if you are Sterling (or Gold), you would net you 24k Identity points, worth a combined $240 for resort spend and/or free play. (That's almost as much combined as with Mlife, but you could choose to use it all on free slot play if you wish). In three annual trips (or 3 trips in a 365-day rolling period), you would make it almost all the way to Identity Platinum -- which comes with a 3x slot point multiplier instead of just 2x. If you get the Terrace Studio (no fountain view) on a weekend, you are probably going to have just under $200 of remaining comp value.

    I'll be back later to look at how this would look for Wynncore.
     
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  7. UKFanatic

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    I think the OP was clear the move isn't about seeking better comps. /his wife wants to try out some new proprties
     
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    With your play it may not be an issue. But at MLife there is no guaranteed waiver of Resort fee's for any Tier level. That would be my only concern. You may get the nicer "free rooms" at MLIFE but have to pay the $45 a night resort fee. Some offers through MLIFE do waive the resort fee's. Just whatever the algorithm shoots our for your situation.
     
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  9. JulianC

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    With Wynncore, you would earn the room on a weekend. At best, a base-level Tower Suites room -- but probably just a regular room down the hall, maybe with a panoramic view. You would only get about $72 worth of points if redeemed for free play, and that would be just over double what CET can offer when the RCs are redeemed for FP. However, you would additionally get about $175 worth of comp dollars (5% of theo). Combining the two, the in-hand value is right in line with the same with MGM and Cosmo. Pound for pound, worth it -- and the front end offers at that level of play would be quite generous. You would make middle tier (Platinum) in just one trip.
     
  10. MCann

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    Their play is higher than mine and MLife is giving me good suites, I only have resort fees at Aria/Bellagio/VDara, and get hundreds in free play and resort credit. Although, some weekends my suite choices are sparse, but always have some decent comp rooms and no resort fees. Biggest difference for me is MLife is way more generous with the up front comp dollars, retail value of free rooms, but until you get to be very special with them, comp nights will generally be capped at 4 instead of 5. OP play, depending on the math and bonuses, is somewhat significantly higher than mine, so in a nutshell I'd just say dont sweat the resort fees too much, and you'll likely have some really nice free room options even on weekends. If you're only staying 3 day trips, the 4 night cutoff compared to 5 wont be a disadvantage anyway.
     
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    Agreed. Based on @JulianC 's calculation of coin in, the OP is describing a little more play than what I had when I started getting no resort fees anywhere, and suites at least at the properties through Mirage. I *think* I was getting suites at Aria/Bellagio offered then but honestly don't remember for sure.

    Also, I don't think the corporate offers from MLife ever exceed 4 days, but OP should be able to get a host, and I have had no problem getting an extra day added on. I even had MLife VIP offer me an extra night the one time during this period I booked at a different property and not through a host.
     
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    I'm a very low gold that rarely does more than $2.5k p/day coin-in, but I've got 4 comp nights everywhere, and only paying resort fees at their top 3 properties.

    I'd imagine you'd get exactly what you're looking for if you moved over, and given the current climate I'd be surprised if you couldn't swing something upfront, too.
     
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  13. Trifecta47

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    Thanks so much for all the info. The good news with us is that we very rarely go for more than 3 nights...For me, Vegas is one of those places where I can't wait to get there and then, after a few days, I can't wait to leave! :)

    We probably have somewhere between $1500 and $2000/day actual out of pocket and unfortunately my wife looks at any wins as reinvestment opportunities so we never come back with any of our original budget.

    We tend to get at least to 2500 points per day so we get the 5000k point bonus but rarely to the diad level. We do play mostly on just one card. Not looking for anything special as I know our play doesn't warrant it. (between reading some of you all's reports and meeting folks at some of the TR events (we had dinner with another couple a few years ago and the guy's average swing in BJ was $75k to $100k per day))

    -quick side story - we were having dinner with this couple at our host's birthday party (just simply sat at the same 4-top) and we're chatting and they start telling us about this great event they attended last summer. They and a small group were flown privately to LA, taken to a baseball game, met with some players, taken to dinner and then flown back to vegas. My wife and I are sitting there thinking 'well - we got $400 free play so take that!' That's where we found out about this guy's blackjack limits. Different world.

    Follow-up question: If I reach out to a host, does it matter at which resort they're at? I have no idea what resort we'd even want to stay at to start with. And I'm not looking for any comps up front. I figure if our play warrants it, they'll take care of things on the back end this first trip. I would like to have them match me to gold so at least I can skip some lines - I hate lines lol.

    Anyway, thanks for all the info!
     
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    I'm pretty sure they're still matching diamond CET to gold at the MLife desk. You can just walk up and show your ID and Caesars card and they will do it. I did it last September when it first started just to get the bonus slot points until I reached the tier credit threshold less than 24 hours later. It almost worked out in my favor too because the boothling thought diamond plus and elite matches to platinum. She printed me a platinum card then when she went to get manager signature, he unfortunately corrected her and she printed me a gold card lol.
     
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    This tends to validate @JulianC 's estimate. You're doing a couple of nights of $12,500+ coin-in and a 3rd night with something less than that. You'll be fine at MLife. If you always do short trips, play on one card at Mlife like you do at CET.

    The only thing to keep in the back of your mind is that the comparing rooms at the higher MLife vs CET properties is a little bit of apples and oranges. You can't really do it this way, but if you could use square footage as a substitute for overall quality, a 600 SF room at Aria or Bellagio is better and has a higher price/comp value than a 600 SF room at Caesars Palace.

    So that is going to reduce your back-end somewhat. On the other hand, MLife is less likely to gobble up your ExpressComps before giving you back-end. You may also find that MLife will offer you more FP & RC upfront than CET.

    So I wouldn't be too fixated on the exact amount of back-end Mlife gives you unless it seems way off after you've factored in the upfront value.
     
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  16. Trifecta47

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    Thanks for the info - and really good point about the room quality vs comps - makes total sense.