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Video Poker Straight flush and draw?

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by TheTrain85, Oct 4, 2021.

  1. TheTrain85

    TheTrain85 Tourist

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    I hit this hand today and decided to keep the straight flush. The guy playing next to me commented that I should always draw for a royal with open-ended draw on an 3x-4x game like this. Any opinion? I just started video poker recently. Did I make a terrible decision?

    Many thanks,
    Bob
     

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  2. pressitagain

    pressitagain VIP Whale

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    I was faced with the same dilemma playing 5 handed. I threw it away and got the royal on one. That was a nice handpay. I know what to do from now on…
     
  3. thegov2k2

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    In taking a look at wizardofodds.com, they do not have a posted strategy for Triple Double Bonus Ultimate X. However, they have strategies for Jacks or Better, Bonus, Bonus Deluxe, Double Bonus, Double Double Bonus, and Joker Poker Ultimate X. In every instance, the proper strategy regardless of multiplier is to keep the straight flush intact.
     
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  4. Vegas28m

    Vegas28m Medium Roller, Chicago

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    I’ve had this hand and tried for the royal. Nope, should have kept it but this is gambling so if I would have kept it I would wonder
     
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  5. dmr

    dmr Registered Abuser

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    I would always keep the SF.

    Why?

    Because!
     
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  6. buffalo

    buffalo Low-Roller

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    My Ultimate X app says keep the SF, regardless of multipliers total.

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  7. zlanga

    zlanga High-Roller

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    I don't know how that UltimateX stuff works, but if you already had those 4x, 3x and 4x multipliers, you already had 69% (giggity) of a royal in hand. Throwing away the 9 would give you a 1/47 + 1/47 + 1/47 chance of drawing to a royal. No way I would take that gamble. Give me the $687 bucks all day long.
    The guy next to you can play the way he wants, I'm sure the casinos appreciate his donations.
     
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  8. Basil

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    This. I'll look for @tringlomane to correct my math, but:

    Forget the multipliers for now just to make this easier, but right now you have 750 credits locked in. Throwing them away gives you:
    1/47 chance at 4000
    6/47 chance at 20 (for a straight, the remaining 3 9s and As)
    7/47 chance at what I'm going to assume is 30 for a flush (not sure the actual paytable, for the remaining spades)
    9/47 at 5 (for the pairs)

    Added all together, that's a return of ~93 on average per hand, or 276 for the 3 hands vs a guaranteed 750. Keep the straight flush.

    With the multipliers, you're looking at 1,023 credits for the draw on all 3 hands, vs 2,750 for holding.

    (edit, forgot the non-spade aces for the straight draw)
     
  9. vpmikey

    vpmikey Low-Roller

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    Absolutely you keep the straight flush, and it’s not even close!
     

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  10. FABismonte

    FABismonte Tell my wife I am "about even."

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  11. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Yeah the straight flush is just too valuable to break here. You need to have a very high progressive royal to make breaking the hand correct. Or be playing Deuces Wild.

    Another unlikely exception that I've actually seen in the casino is playing "Magic Deal Poker" with 2+ "magic cards". I helped talk a guy into breaking that particular hand in that game. He got very lucky and hit 2 out of 3 quarter royals. The 2 magic cards only triple your chances of hitting a royal. I hoped he might offer to buy me a beer for the advice, but no dice. Haha
     
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  12. AyDee

    AyDee is getting too old for this

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    Had the same thing last trip, looked it up and thought long at hard on it, was @ .50, when I'm usually playing .25 so took the money,
    with those multipliers, unless I was already up big, it would have been an even easier no brainer to bank it..
    That's ammo for the next royal.
     
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    AyDee is getting too old for this

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    If we ever meet up, I'll buy you 8 beers for your advice. :beer:
     
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  14. 3544quebec

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    The other thing in favor of holding the SF is that the multipliers on the next hand will be better won't they, increasing your return even more (potentially)?
    So when you get dealt a Royal on the next hand , you'll make a killing

    Edit - the above reflects my play which is exclusively on DW where a SF gives a 12x multiplier on the next hand. On TDB it looks like you only get a 2x multiplier after a SF :eek:
     
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  15. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Yes in non-wild games, the multiplier maxes out at 12X for a full house.

    If the highest multiplier was awarded on a Royal Flush instead, then the game would be practically illegal in Nevada, and expressly illegal in every other state. A royal followed by another royal is over a billion to 1. All states have a minimum top award of 1 in 100 million. But in Nevada, you can exceed this if you write the exact odds on the payglass. But even Megabucks doesn't do that (odds: 1 in 44,739,243). Most states are 1 in 50 million, and some are 1 in 17 million. A full house followed by a royal in non-wild UX is about 1 in 4.54 million. In UX Deuces a straight flush followed by Royal is about 1 in 8.93 million.

    These regulations are also why that you automatically get a 20X royal on Double STP if you get dealt a Royal AND were given a DEAL multiplier (1 in 9,746,100). And even more odd, why the best Double Bonus paytable available on STP is 10/6/5 (10X royal w/optimal strategy: 1 in 15.4 million) instead of 9/7/5 (10X royal w/optimal strategy: 1 in 18 million).
     
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  16. buffalo

    buffalo Low-Roller

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    Deuces Wild 5 hand UX is my favorite.
    On 3 hand DW UX, if dealt the above hand, you only keep the SF is the sum of the multipliers is 3 or 4. If it's 5 to 36, you draw for the RF.
     
  17. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    But this is assuming the SF pays 13 for 1 before multipliers, right? It only does on one paytable (3rd best). "Full Pay" only pays 9 for 1. 2nd best: 10 for 1. Crappiest: 8 for 1.
     
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    There you go again! Arguing using math. lol :D :beer:
     
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  19. 3544quebec

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    You lost me on my seventh bourbon :drunk:
     
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  20. TheTrain85

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    Many thanks guys! Such interesting insights! And I am glad to know that I didn't make a terrible decision!