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Discussion in 'Slots' started by JRRestoule, Feb 14, 2017.

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  1. JRRestoule

    JRRestoule VIP Whale

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    A new way found to cheat at slots...and I thought these were supposed to be random? Looks like someone figured out a way to expose the "un-randomness". Also, this could lead to casinos not allowing guests to video slot play any longer...

    http://bit.ly/2kdwvd5
     
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    They need to go back to the old days when they caught cheaters:

    [the winner is sent into the casino office, and sees his friend, the signaler, displaying a broken hand]

    Signaller: Look what they did to my hand man!

    Ace Rothstein: [to the winner] All right, I'm gonna give you a choice. You can either have the money and the hammer or you can walk out of here. You can't have both. What do you want?

    Winner: I just wanna get outta here.

    Ace Rothstein: And don't forget to tell your friends what happens if they fuck up around here. You understand?

    Winner: I'm sorry. I made a bad mistake.

    Ace Rothstein: You're fuckin' right you made a bad mistake. 'Cause if you come back here, if we catch either one of ya, we're gonna break your fuckin' heads and you won't walk out of here. You see that fuckin' saw? We're gonna use it. We don't fuck around in this place. You got it? Get outta here.

    Winner: [relieved] Thank you.

    [Security escorts the winner off the premises for good, then tells the other security what to do with the man with the broken right hand]

    Ace Rothstein: Throw him out into the alley and just tell the cops he got hit by a car.
     
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    Great article...pseudorandom...the point being the 'pseudo' part. And that's why, boys and girls, we need to focus on our coding skills. Not so much for business systems, per se, but more like how to manipulate said systems for our own personal gain and self satisfaction. As the Leningrad Cowboys would say..."Thank you very many!".
     
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    I write code for a living in the financial industry and no matter what steps you take there will always be a hole(s) in every system. It's a cat and mouse game.
     
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    I rode the IBM mainframe for a quarter of a century for AT&T, Talbots, Nielsen and CGI (Subsidiary of IBM). You're as safe as you believe you are.
     
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    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Interesting article. Seems like some reasonable surveillance may keep this in check and a few more arrests.
     
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    Now I know where to send my resume next time I am searching for a job. :D
     
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    I'm surprised that a human can time the button accurately enough to take advantage of a known RNG pattern. I always figured that sucker was cycling thousands of times per second.

    I guess if the "jackpot" combination came up every 10 seconds and you only hit the button in that 1 second out of 10, your odds of hitting it on the nuts would go up enough to create an advantage even if it was cycling through thousands of times per second.

    I guess that makes sense if that's how the scam works.
     
  9. tornadobox

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    Wow, very interesting story!

    Lesson learned for the non-scammer: pause a fraction of a second before you'd normally press the button - and maybe something grand will happen!
     
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    This is fascinating to me. The time and meticulous nature of reverse-engineering the PNRG to discover the patters would be mind-numbing to me.
     
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    I guess i dont see how that is cheating? Seems like a smart thing to do, it's not like they're tampering with the machines.
     
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    Using any mechanical device in connection with gaming is cheating under NV law, even if you're not directly tampering with the game itself.
     
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    pseudorandom number generators. Interesting article.
     
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    This is an interesting article, I'd read it earlier in the year when it came out.

    However, looks like this hack/cheat only affects certain old machines, the newer ones have more advanced software: "newest slot machines, whose PRNGs use encryption to protect mathematical secrets". Funny that Pechanga got brought into this - that's an hour or so away from me!

    Still interesting to read about; but with security so tight in my local casinos, plus many of them phasing out older machines, it's not too big a worry down here I think. I'd imagine Vegas is similar....maybe.
     
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    The thing that interests me is not the fact that it can only happen on old machines, or even the 'cheating' itself (which isn't really cheating...maybe 'observing'... kind of like counting cards at blackjack)... it's the fact that each spin on a slot is 'supposed' to be totally random, each spin independent of any other spin. Your odds of winning are advertised as being the same on every spin. However, they are not. And this story exposes that. Just because the manufacturers found a new way to hide the 'unrandonmness' doesn't mean new machines are 'random'.
     
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    nevada law mean nothing, most of these incidents didn't even happen in NV, did they?
     
  17. ardee

    ardee It's only money.

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    Vegas can't be too worried about cell phone use when at a slot machine because
    they stick phone chargers next to them everywhere and also:

    Station Casinos in Nevada/Vegas are trying out a new type of "IGT cardless connect" player's card for cell phones vs. inserting a card into machine. Read about it here:

    https://www.gamingtoday.com/articles/article/70771-IGT_Cardless_Connect_to_be_introduced_at_Station_Casinos

    and here:


    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/igt-cardless-connect-mobile-technology-launches-at-station-casinos-properties-300536529.html
     
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  18. KennerDan

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    Considering the original article advises people were apprehended on Federal charges in connection to this, its safe to assume this is illegal in the US no matter the jurisdiction.
     
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