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Table Games Shocker with craps tables odds in Las Vegas

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Outkastgamer, Jul 4, 2020.

  1. Outkastgamer

    Outkastgamer Tourist

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    I normally play craps on the east coast. Either, West Virginia, Mississippi, West Virginia, Atlantic city, or North Carolina. On the east coast casinos they allow you to put down the odds amount you want to put up to a certain amount. Example if the craps table minimum was $15 and the point was a 5, you could put down $6 if you wanted to.
    What shocked me in Las Vegas was if the craps table minimum was $15 and the point was a 5, the casinos makes you put down $15 as your odds. Does this come as a shock to the people who play craps in other states?
     
  2. ohcraps

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    This is common in LV; but you'll get used to it.

    The bigger shocker is when you play in a CET casino and they only hand you back 70 for a $5 yo or $145 for a $5 on high or low. The dealers call these "strip odds"... bleh
     
  3. Hard6n8

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    I've never heard of a casino that allowed you place an odds bet for less than the original wager
     
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  4. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    This is news to me too. But i never played anything other than bubble craps in Vegas. And bubble craps certainly let me bet odds for less than my pass line bet amount.

    If you wanted to be a combative person, i am pretty sure you could get the gaming commission involved. UNLESS minimum odds bets are stated. @44inarow thoughts?
     
  5. Nittany1

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    I have played a lot in AC and Vegas for many years.
    First the example of a $15 line bet would typically be corrected by most dealers To an even number as odds on five and 9 pat 3:2 .
    I have seen it many ,many times where the dealers would say“ Make it even ,add another $1,$5 and anything up to a$60 total .
    I also see players put down odds less than their line bet all the time no matter what the point is.
    I would be interested to know what casino that is.
    Regularly play at MGM properties and infrequently at CET and Wynn.
    The same thing applies to all.
     
  6. FullPay

    FullPay When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro

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    I’ve played odds bets smaller than my line bet, but never below the table minimum. But a $15 table is usually my maximum, if I’m good for the line bet I’m certainly going to match it or better on odds.
     
  7. BYLee291

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    I only play at CET casinos in Las Vegas and I've seen people place odds bets less than their passline bet. It doesn't make any sense for them to have a minimum odds requirement as long as you play an even amount on the 5 and 9 for the 3-2 payout. The bigger the odds bet, the lower the house edge on the passline bet since there is no house edge on the odds bet. In a perfect world for the casino, players wouldn't place an odds bet at all. Second best, they play less than their passline bet. I would also think minimum odds bets would need to be posted on the sign showing what the table minimums and maximums are. At CET casinos, they just say 3-4-5 odds. It is possible that the dealer was just trying to help you by telling you you could increase your odds bet, since most craps players play single odds at a minimum.
     
  8. vsop

    vsop Low-Roller

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    I believe the the call to make a "minimum" odds bet to match the table minimum, is for the most part, dependent on the individual dealer...as indicated by others, it is the house's financial "benefit" if you bet less than what is allowed...the less you bet, the less you get.
     
  9. Outkastgamer

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    This is Las Vegas rules. Each state casinos has a little different rules with odds. The other thing that was different from most casinos I have play at was the Las Vegas casinos would not allow me to make a $2 hardway only bet if I didn't first put down $15 on some kind of bet on the table. Please note the east coast casinos do not have rules like that. The Linq casino craps table decided they wanted to change the rules after everyone was winning money. Out of the blue, after the point hit, the shooter rolled a 7 which everyone on the pass line got paid. The Linq casino removed everyones bets in the middle of the table. Without trying to make the table cold, I said what happen to my bets on the hardways, the casino said I didn't tell them to turn them off. Most casinos automatically turn the bets in the middle off not unless you tell to keep working(on).
     
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  10. AyDee

    AyDee is getting too old for this

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    sounds like total BS, unless they did a clever switcheroo and quietly announced "hard ways work unless called off."
     
  11. steveks225

    steveks225 Low-Roller

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    It’s a case of reading the “fine” print on the table- whether the payoff is stated using the words to or for. In the one example above, 30 to 1 would pay $150, whereas 30 for 1 is actually 29 to 1, and would pay $145.
     
  12. Fet297

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    In Vegas, the hard ways have always worked on the come out (at least for the past 15 years of me going to Vegas).
    Usually the pit/stick yells hard ways work every come out. I always thought it would be easier to go by the east coast way and have them automatically off on the come out to save the aggravation. But what do I know. :goofy:
     
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    Will this trip get cancelled also??? Hope not.
    Good times, right?
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  13. Calder

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    Yeah, Las Vegas hardways have always worked on the comeout.
     
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  14. Rob6 8

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    I usually play in Biloxi and my odds match my pass line or more. But with the new higher mins I sometimes bet my odds less than pass line with no trouble from the dealers so I would be shocked.
     
  15. ngrund

    ngrund Low-Roller

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    just about every where outside Nevada hard ways are off by default, I always have mine work and I agree they should change the rule, it makes no sense when they waste time marking them off
     
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  16. AyDee

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    Downtown too? because I usually work mine, and am usually alone on it, and I usually need to remind them that I'm always working. Maybe this is because everyone else is usually off?
     
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    Fet297 113 survivor North Vegas

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    Yes downtown too...:beer:
     
    Will this trip get cancelled also??? Hope not.
    Good times, right?
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  18. mbely1000

    mbely1000 Low-Roller

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    Odds bets carry no house advantage so I would think that casinos would be fine with odds bets that are less than the pass line bet. But as a player, we should always have max odds out there.
     
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  19. Calder

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    Weeeeell, mathematically sound, sure. But also a bit dull. And bankroll dependent.

    Because of the amount I wager, I almost never get beyond double odds, with some place / come bets.
     
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  20. Necrochaos

    Necrochaos Low-Roller

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    This is common at smaller casinos.

    It's to the house benefit to allow lower odds, as there is no house edge and they make $0 on the odds.

    At the local places here, at a $5 table I commonly put $1-$2 odds on the 4 and 10.
     
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