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Seminole Hard Rock - SitRep 0417-d

Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Casino Hotels' started by deansrobinson, Apr 27, 2017.

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  1. deansrobinson

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    Well, boys and girls, looks like the Tribe is going to be in the Craps and Roulette (real roulette...not electronic) business sooner rather than later, according to our good friends at the Tampa Bay Times. Although this legislative hurdle still has some wet ink, it's looking positive. No word yet on when (if?...c'mon...if?) the infrastructure will be in place any time soon. As it is now, the SHR is one of the world's largest casinos, with a gaming floor of about the size of five football fields. I've never scored a touchdown there but I have made a few first downs.

    And in other late breaking governmental news, there is such a thing as gaming welfare. Apparently, for reasons I don't grasp, the legislature is looking to dole out to Tampa Bay Downs (the non-slot-machine-having horse track*) an annual stipend of $10M - what with them being so close to the SHR - to make them 'competitive' (or have access to funding) that levels the philosophical playing field with south Florida. Basically, the line of thinking is that the track can draw higher pools with top horses. And with a straight face, it was said that this is to ensure the thoroughbred horse industry in Florida. Without live racing venues horse breeders in Florida would be impacted. Hey...Ringling Brothers is holding on line two. Want me to transfer the call?

    And for even more entertainment, the legislature signed off on a new casino in the nebulous area defined as 'south Florida' with the agreement that it maxes out at 1.5K slot machines and is located at least five miles from any existing pari mutuel. There are other restrictions, but it's gaming creep none the less.

    We are currently in a holding pattern as we await the counter offer from the Senate.

    Sincerely,
    Dean S. Robinson
    Democratic Peoples Republic of Carrollwood Gaming Commission




    * - the tracks in South Florida do offer such amenities, to enable patrons to lose even more money in one location, rather than have to bet the ponies over here and go to the casino over there.
     
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    I read the article this morning too. I would not put any money on what the state legislature might do as many of them still live in the 19th century. I think HR is trying to get to at least the regional destination level if not international acclaim and they see craps as important to that end. The Seminoles aren’t running the show even as owners but rather a bunch of AC and Vegas suits. I don’t know if they need to become such as we already have more tourists than most of the other states combined as well as the third largest population. We have complained YTD on the crowds there as is. By the time they finish all of their improvements and expansions, they would match up well with just about anything on the Strip with or without craps. They will certainly remain bigger than anything in all of Nevada or AC. I wish they would just remain our little secret and we can continue to cruise in and out of there at our leisure without being terrorized by those who frequent other casino destinations.
     
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    Well, if I were a gamblin' man...I'd bet money that that ship has sailed, ne'er to return.
    Helipad.
    That seals our fate.
     
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    Helipad?!

    The Alpert-Team (We call ourselves The A-Team to keep it short!) is on the way!

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    I love it when a plan comes together! :D

    RICHARD
     
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    Do you recall the scene in Casablanca when the crooked police commissioner is told to close Rick’s at the demand of the Gestapo? He tells Rick, “I’m shocked, just shocked that there is gambling going on in here as he is paid his slice of the nightly play there. Well, I’m shocked, just shocked that the legislature has once again decided to take no action on gambling here this year. I have accepted that the only casinos I will see in Florida in my remaining gambling days are already here. Thank goodness we have Hard Rock or I would be retired from it altogether. I love flying so much these days that I could be given free air and RFB at the Wynn for a week and have no trouble turning it down.
     
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    Hey, I'm in Carrollwood also...Uh oh...:drunk:
     
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    Valrico here
     
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    Well...this probably won't turn out well for the homeowners association. But...they should do a better job of screening the citizenry.
    We reap what we sew. :cool:
     
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    The new mezzanine gambling area is very pretty, but I would have loved to see them make that the non-smoking area. Our legislature continues to pass the hot potato of gambling expansion here off to another session. If they want to truly help Tampa Downs, then allow slots so they can compete with the THR.
     
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    See, now that's what makes politics soooo much fun. :grrr:

    OK, here's the thing...in my opinion. Interest in dog and horse racing is waning. Sea World...Ringling Brothers...it's a whole new vibe. I'm not saying it's gonna disappear by next Friday, but the reason that all these joints are getting slot machines is to keep relevant. If the legislature were to approve Vegas style resorts here on the peninsula, it would sound the death knell for a whole lot of small (in comparison to resorts) operations. So...what do we have? Do we have intervention...artificial caps and restrictions that allow certain constituents to stay in business? Do we prop up the thoroughbred industry solely to feed this one consumer...'cause there ain't a shitload of markets for fast horses aside from racing? Do we embrace the fig leaf of 'family value' ('cause gaming and everything associated with that is just grease on the skids to hell (just ask Disney)) and not wanting undesirable elements coming to our fair state (assuming of course you don't watch the local news...hint...double wides and breaking news)? Given that there is no DMZ between counties, it's easy to bring up that just because it's legal in this county, doesn't mean that people from outside that county can't travel there (I'm betting most elementary school kids can see this one) defense.

    If I were emperor, I'd vote in favor of allowing Vegas style resorts in Florida. I'm a huge giant enormous fan of individual responsibility, so I don't see it as a vice to be avoided at all cost. Just not buyin' it. It ain't like Vinny and Tony are gonna be collecting the vig every Tuesday. You're gonna have degenerate gamblers (can I say that here? Is that cool...:ssst:) much as you have now. Legalized gaming is not a gateway to depravity. The same can't be said about hangin' out with me, however. So there's that.

    BOTTOM LINE: This is one of those issues where retaining my seat in the senate or house is dependent on supporting (handing out money) to some low rent enterprise rather than admitting that the SHR is it, and everything else is also ran. To allow Vegasesque resorts down here would hasten the shuttering of 'tracks' that exist in name only. And I'm just not sure that's a bad thing.
     
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