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Table Games Seeing the next card in Blackjack shoe

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Shipppp09, Jun 7, 2017.

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  1. Shipppp09

    Shipppp09 Low-Roller

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    Playing blackjack my local casino last week. It's 3am and I'm at a BJ table by myself. Dealer seems pretty new/tired and has already made a few slight errors which I neeed to correct him on.

    Anyway I'm betting 1 box and get dealt 19 v a 10. I stand and dealer pulls a 7. Happy days. But for some reason the dealer reaches for another card and just as he pulls it over he realises his mistake and puts it back. The card which he pulled was an ACE. I pretend not to see the card and collect my winnings from the hand.

    My question is..knowing I'm receiving the ACE for my next card. What should my play be? I'm sitting with about $200 playing $20-30 on the one spot I'm playing.
     
  2. MiamiDave

    MiamiDave You Can't Handle the Truth

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    The easy answer is all of it (and more from your wallet) but the dealer might get scared when they see you go from $20 to $200 and call the floor over for a ruling. Then again that would be admitting they made a mistake and covered it up.

    Personally I'd do $150 as long as I had a Benjamin in my wallet to cover a double down.
     
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  3. vegasdev

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    is the he dealing from a shoe or pitch?
    were you counting cards prior to the ace revelation?
    is the count rich in tens or not?
    not much info to work with here, but with what we know, I would increase my bet at least a little bit.
     
  4. MiamiDave

    MiamiDave You Can't Handle the Truth

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    An ace in your hand, without knowing what the dealer will have, at 3:2 BJ, is always an equity advantage (between .7-2.5% depending on rules). Outside of being concerned with variance you should be betting as much as you can. That's the whole basis behind card counting so there's no reason to hold back. If you have a rich count you'd be doing the same thing, but you're limited in the amount you bet by the heat you'd bring from the dealer/pit. In this case, you probably shed the heat from the dealer because they would get in trouble by admitting their mistake.
     
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  5. Shipppp09

    Shipppp09 Low-Roller

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    This was my original thought, but didn't know how the dealer would react.
     
  6. Shipppp09

    Shipppp09 Low-Roller

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    Dealer was dealing from a shoe, didn't so much as put the card back but just turned it back over and placed it on the end of the shoe.

    Wasn't counting, just an amateur enjoying a game of late night blackjack.
     
  7. Cheetos

    Cheetos Low-Roller

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    so what was your bet? did you take advantage of the situation? what was the outcome? just curious
     
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  8. Shipppp09

    Shipppp09 Low-Roller

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    Ended up putting the previous bet + winnings. ($40) on the hand and hit BJ.

    Was just interested on what the actual ruling would have been should I have stuck $200 on the hand and the dealer had called the floor over.
     
  9. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    If floor came over and card was "near the shoe"... they would have noticed and then buried it or started over.

    I would do whatever my highest bet had been before.. maybe a little more.
     
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    I'd probably do this, and I'd bet $1 for the dealer to keep him happy
     
  11. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    I probably would be okay tripling the bet at least. Many people vary their bets by that amount randomly all the time.

    I doubt the dealer would say anything because as mentioned earlier he would have to own up to the mistake.
     
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    thecarve Misanthrope

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    I might have made a "(yawn) time for bed" type of comment and pushed it all in. At the very least, I would have matched my biggest bet of the evening.
     
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  13. vegasdev

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    clever
     
  14. vegaskid74

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    Assuming a neutral shoe, you have a 50% advantage starting with an ace. If the count is high, your advantage could be as high as 60% or more. Card counters typically bet quarter Kelly (25% of your advantage times your total bankroll) or maybe slightly less, so in this case, about 10% of your total bankroll. For a properly bankrolled counter that would be many thousands of dollars. For you, that should have been everything in your pocket. I rarely tip (card counters can't afford to), but in this case I definitely would have thrown out $5 or so for the dealer to give him an incentive to keep his mouth shut and deal the round. You're correct though, you would have to make a bet that's within the comfort level of the shop (and not too out of character for your previous play) or you'll ruin your own opportunity. A shove-in "I'm going to bed" Hail Mary bet isn't a bad idea.
     
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    Keep in mind you lose lots of hands where your first card is an ace(I know I do), unless if I was way down and desperate, I wouldn't shove it all in.
     
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    I would've just let my winning bet ride.
     
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    wanker751 Dutch Rudder Enthusiast

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    Question about floor coming over and them saying that card was burned and not in play. Would the bettor be allowed to adjust his bet back down?
     
  18. Nevyn

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    Aside from the moral conundrum, how much of an argument do you want to get in?

    Because if the card was out of the shoe, and you suddenly bump your bet beyond normal parameters, even that dealer may realize that you saw the card and call the floor. Even if he doesn't, rookie dealers making mistakes usually are watched much more carefully than average ones.
     
  19. topcard

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    I have had the same circumstance happen with me on a two-deck pitch game...I knew my first card was going to be an ace... (dealer had started to take another hit after reaching a 4 card 17 & caught herself before she flipped the card). I increased to 4x my base bet (which is what I had been doing on any +4 count)...pit came over and told the dealer to shuffle up.... I backed my bet down to my base bet.

    Pit then asks me (sarcastically), "What's the matter? Scared of a shuffle?"
    I reply, "Yep...deck was going well...you just jinxed it!"
    He gave me an eye-roll & walked off.

    So, wanker - absolutely you can back your bet down, so long as no cards have been dealt.
     
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    I would have told him I saw the card. Sorry if that makes me an asshole, but that's the way I'm wired.
     
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