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Table Games Radical Idea On 6:5

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Breeze147, Jan 6, 2020.

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  1. Breeze147

    Breeze147 Button Man

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    Why not Double Down on a 6:5 natural?

    I’m sure at least one math person can analyze this.

    Why not gamble on doubling your bet instead of accepting 6:5?

    I guess the first argument against is that it’s no different from splitting 10’s.

    Just trying to think outside the box.
     
  2. Nohitter1217

    Nohitter1217 Tourist

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    No math guru here, butlike you said with splitting 10s. You're taking a sure win and making it a maybe with more money at risk....
     
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  3. BlacklabberMike

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    because as far as I know it's not allowed.
     
  4. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Pretty much this.

    When you have a guaranteed 1.2 unit win you have to win the double down 80% of the time to match that value.

    (0.8)(2) - (0.2)(2) = 1.2 units.

    And when doubling down, A-5 gives you a hand where the dealer has to bust for the player to win.
     
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  5. Jer

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    I’ve done it at a couple different spots back in the day. It was great when it hit! I see your thinking though, and if you’re willing to take that extra risk when the count is going well go for it! :thumbsup:
     
  6. The Rumor

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    casinos generally won't let you, but you shouldn't do it anyway - the EV is horrendous
     
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  7. Southpaw33

    Southpaw33 Low-Roller

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    I’ve seen it done at planet. If you have table minimum out and playing for fun it’s fine I suppose. It gets everyone pumped if it hits
     
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    mescalita old and in the way...

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    Anybody who is playing 6/5 probably has no idea what EV is anyway....
     
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    Or perhaps they know that the EV they’re giving up is minuscule compared to the time/$ cost of traveling to where 3:2 tables are available at the level they’re willing to play.
     
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  10. HuskerBB

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    Don't play 6:5 but looked into the math of this a few years ago -and as noted above it is not a good percentage play at all, Really comes down to the fact that the blackjack is a sure win - even if the dealer draws to a non-blackjack 21.

    Reminded me of one time when I was playing at local casino and a guy doubled on a blackjack on a 3:2 table. Tried to tell me it was a smart play - and then got mad at me when I hit my 12 vs. a dealer 2.
     
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    These types will just grind their teeth when they get their $12 BJ. :evillaugh: They won't double it.
     
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  12. Headache 21

    Headache 21 Low-Roller

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    Pretty sure any casino will let you double down on a natural. They're in the take your money business, after all.

    I wonder if someone has the math on how far the count has to be in your favor to make it a considerable option.
     
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    Numerous 6:5 $25 blackjack tables fully seated at Caesars, Venetian, Bellagio during Christmas.... I couldn't believe my eyes.
     
  14. Breeze147

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    I realize it's all stupid. The bastardization of Blackjack i.e., the attempts by the casino to turn the staple table game of gambling into a carney game have so totally turned me off that I seriously doubt I will ever play it again. Even the venerable El Cortez has introduced the carnival side bets.

    Just one of the top 10 reasons why I believe I have reached the end of my Vegas quest.
     
  15. Breeze147

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    So what IS west of Westeros?
     
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    Valid point - I should have said “most folks” instead of “anybody.” But I still hate to see anybody playing 6/5...:peace:
     
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  17. Breeze147

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    Thing is, now people like me can’t play anymore. It’s accept the carnival rules or do without.
    I’m leaning toward “do without.”
     
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    Instead of worrying about this or analyzing it, just go to TI and play $10 BJ at 3-2. It smells a bit smoky in there but the place is generally clean and the Luke's Lobster next door sells one of the best tasting lobster rolls I've had outside of Maine.
     
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    Thanks for reminding me of TI, one of the last bastions of sanity.
     
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    I LIKE the side bets, because they allow casinos to make more money while offering a full 3:2 blackjack game at a reasonable limit. If other people want to keep the lights on by betting 21+3 EXTREME at a $10 or $15 table, hey, that's fine by me.
     
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