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Race book with guidance for a first timer?

Discussion in 'The Sports Book' started by notfromconcentrate, Oct 30, 2018.

  1. notfromconcentrate

    notfromconcentrate High-rolling diner. Low-rolling gambler.

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    Okay, so I'm looking to place some bets on the horses during my upcoming trip. Except, I don't really know anything about it, and I've found most race/sportsbooks to be pretty intimidating to beginners.

    I know South Point has an on-staff handicapper at their Race Book, though he's only in on Fridays and Saturdays... and my trip won't have me in on any of those days. I also don't particularly want to go all the way down to South Point this trip just to bet on horses.

    Any other places that offer a similar service?
     
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  2. Rush

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    Most important piece of advice. Know the bets you want to make before you get to the window.

    Nothing pisses other bettors off more than getting shut out because some clown is fucking around at the window.

    Keep it simple to start. Pick one horse, and bet him to win, place, or show for a few bucks.

    You will get comfortable fast enough!
     
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  3. azbob

    azbob Low-Roller

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    Buy the racing book by Richard Eng which will explain the bets plus give you insights re: how to bet. Other than that, Rush is exactly right especially if you are going to be there for the Breeder's Cup.
     
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  4. Johnzimbo

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    The Orleans always has a couple cute female ticket writers, just wait until there is no line, walk up and tell her you need a little help.
     
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    You can probably get half of it just by listening to others place bets.

    The main things you need to name are the:

    - Track
    - Race number
    - Type of bet (win, place, show, exacta, etc.)
    - Horse number or numbers

    If you want to do more exotic stuff, I'd spend some time googling.

    And don't forget to ask for a drink ticket!

    It's not a bad way to kill 30 mins.
     
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    that's pretty much it.

    from my buddy Rich Eng's book

    https://www.dummies.com/games/casino-games/betting-on-horse-racing-for-dummies-cheat-sheet/

    there's also a couple of links for more types of bets, but stick with this for starters.....
    and yes please ask for drink tickets...

    ps. if you are going to be there during Breeders Cup, bet very early before the races start or
    bet during when a race is running for the next race or two.....it's INSANE in the book during the BC

    good luck and as my friend Harvey Pack said. "May the horse be with you"

    I was betting Santa Anita last week while sitting at the bar in Harrahs playing vp at the same time...
    and yes i am a degenerate... :kill:
     
  7. zeekm

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    Most important bit of advice . . . If you bet $10 you can ask for a drink ticket.
     
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  8. alexm

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    Biggest question becomes what are you looking to get out of it... If you're looking for big scores there is a strategy that will most likely cost you money but can pay, if you're looking for drinks and relax there are some more fun things you can do with or without knowledge.

    When killing time on a losing day I enjoy going into the race book and looking at the television screens for the next 4 races to go off [you're looking for MTP (Minutes to Post) or MTR (Minutes to Race)] On those screens you will also see the track name and race number. I make note of the favor at that moment at each of those 4 tracks (The screen will display the horses odds in real time based on how much "action" the horse has taken. The lower the number the more people betting on the horse or the more money being bet on it) Go to the window and say 5 dollars to show and give the track name, the race number and then the horse number to the ticket writer for each of the 4 tracks. (I say 4 because the books I have been in want to take $20 to give a drink ticket, if it's $10 as on poster said make 2 bets or 1 $10 bet) Then I go to the bar get my drink and watch the 4 races. You have bet that the horses you chose to finish anywhere in the top 3 so while the payouts are lower you have a decent shot to hit some of your bets. When those 4 races have run I tend to sort my tickets into winners and losers, take a fresh 20 and do it gain. I usually work through $100 or 20 races and 5 drink tickets (more if tipping) then cash in the winners and either start over or leave. It's a very relaxing time and there is always something you're watching for.
    Depending on you risk aversion or lack thereof you could apply this same strategy and bet only to Win or Place (1st or 2nd) which would result in larger but possibly fewer winners. You could also pick the second favorite or third favorite or long shot or just pick your favorite number. - I did that one day where I said to the ticket writer $5 to show on the 4 at the next 4 tracks going off.

    If you want potentially big hitters you can work to things like exactas (first 2 horses in the order you pick) trifectas (first 3 horses in order) superfectas (first 4 in order) daily doubles (pick first place in 2 straight races) Pick 3 (winner in 3 straight) Picks 4,5,6. As you work more horses into things like this the prices go up. For instance you can bet in a race the 4 to finish first and 5 to finish 2nd for a cost of $2.00 (most tracks have a minimum wager of 2.00 but some go as low as 0.10 cents. That ticket is 2 dollars. If you box it so the order can be either way it's $4. You can do the same thing with any of these bets.

    If you need clarification on anything I just said, let me know
     
  9. Horseplayer1

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    DRF used to have (and probably still does have)a little video on how to read a race form. They are free at the sports book. There's a video on the Weekend Handicapper called How to bet on horse racing (look it up on YouTube) that I have recommended to others. Keep it simple. I like to tell newbies to just look for an improving horse (Beyers going up-you'll see what that is in the video on DRF) that has recent races and make a $2 win $2 show bet on them. You'll usually get some kind of return on your money and your horse only has to run 3rd or better for that. Another fun way to learn is to do Show Parlays-you'll pick your horse in a race, bet it to show, and if its 1st 2nd or 3rd, you'll get the show payoff. Take that and bet it all to show on the next race on the horse you choose, and so on. If you lose, you're only out your initial investment, which can be as small as $2.

    As the others have said, have your bet ready when you get to the window. At first you may want to write down the track name and # horse you are betting since you'll be nervous your first time or two at the teller window. If you get a decent hit, make sure you tip the teller a buck or two. Extra drink coupons will be coming your way. Most of all, ENJOY! Horse racing is a blast, and one of the few things in the casinos that there's no house edge. You are playing against the minds of other horseplayers, and (my favorite kind of horseplayer)the ones at the track who say "Ooohhh he's so pretty. He looks like he wants to win".
     
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    I did that betting delmar saturday....started with $20 and ended up betting $152 into the last race..cashed out at $304.
     
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    Its still fun for me to do that also- and like you said, it can be pretty profitable. There are days my picks just keep getting second place-perfect time to just do the old show parlay and have a couple beers!
     
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    Breeders Cup was like that for me too. Only had one really good payer, liked Shamrock Rose in the Filly and Mare Sprint and played her in doubles to the race before and the race after. Otherwise it was 2nds and 3rds for me most of both days except for the really chalky few.
     
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    pulled it off again sunday.. $20 start.. cashed out at $341.60
     
  14. C0usineddie

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    The Racing Form is your best friend. You can get them for a couple bucks at the sports books.

    What i did was I will buy old copies from my local casino sports books, it does not matter if they are old for this purpose. I go to to Equibase website and they have the historical race stats so once you have made your picks for whatever race, you can look up your results in that site,

    Imagine you are watching the olympic swimming and Michael Phelps is racing. Obviously, he is the favorite but there are like 8 other guys swimming too who you never heard of. Chances are strong he is going to win but you can still make money with second and third if you know what they past histories are. This is what the Racing Form provides for you.

    You basically have a lock for first place so now its just the others to fill in. Dont worry at first about exactas and crazy stuff, just try to pick some winners.

    There are a bunch of excellent training guides on youtube for beginners to read the racing forms.
     
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