Playing slower to earn more ADT/comps

[TriggerMN]

Theoretically...

The longer you play at a table game, the more comps you earn. If I take longer with my decisions at a blackjack table, or play the silly drunk to slow the game down, or lament over how I should split my pai gow hands, I could conceivably play less hands per hour, thus losing less money, but adding to the time on my play.

Similarly, at a craps table I could be one of those players who has to arrange the dice just so, blow on my fingers, rub the felt, etc., and add 15-20 seconds to each roll of the dice.

If you made a concerted effort, you could probably turn a 5 hour session into a 6 hour session just by "playing slow." In each session you would see the exact same number of hands total, but you get an extra hour of comps by slow rolling.

Do you see any pros/cons in this theory (other than it being hella boring and people thinking you are a huge delta bravo), and how bad would it have to get before the house said or did anything about it?

 

[nostresshere]

Pro's or con's?


It would personally drive me nuts trying to play slow. As a result, I would not enjoy myself. Just not worth it to me. I know some folks can survive just fine doing things slow.

And as you said, it would drive other players nuts. I think you also run the risk of the pit critter actually marking your play lower.

Just thought of something else. You might be slow playing, but the other players are going to just buzz right along, so your personal impact would only be for when you had the chance to drag things out.

 

[TrewBrew]

How much are you goint to actually slow down the play of the game? I play 3CP alot and there is always one person that slowly looks at his cards, but does it cut out 2 or 3 hands per hour and the casino math does 30 hands per our that means it would take 10 to 15 hours to make your money last an extra hour.

 

[sindustry]

Play at Caesars...they have the Sssssslllllllllllloooooooooooooowwwweeeeeeeessssssstttttttt dealers in the world!

 

[DaiLun]

I would have to add, "What's your bet level"? I don't believe that you could increase your play by more than 10% 20% tops.

 

[eaglejohn]

play at full tables and not 1-2 players. that would slow it down

 

[makikiboy]

Since I'm a red chip player it won't make that much of a difference to slow play at the crap table. Actually many people hate the slow players and will leave the table if they aren't winning so your slow play will be offset with the table being less crowded. Same on the bj table, I hate the slow players and will leave the table first chance I get.

Personally I don't think it is worth the time to play slow just go get a higher ADT. Besides, I wonder if the pit boss will rate you lower once he realizes what you are doing.

I agree with Eaglejohn, on the crap tables fuller tables take longer to play because it takes longer for the pit crew to handle the payouts. Don't need to play slow there but on an empty table the pit crew are blazing paying everything out.

 

[Grid]

I agree without every that points out the fact its the Pit Critters call on how you are rated. If they are annoyed with you, or suspect you are "draining" the table they will rate you as such. If you play the drunk to slow it down, they could hit you just the same and assume you were too drunk to even know how long, or more importantly, how much you bet per turn.

 

[bubbakitty]

Be friendly. Make eye contact and tip upon leaving AND ask for your rating for the session. You will get the same advantage if not more from the pit critter. But I have seen people act as you describe and it is not nearly as much fun as it would seem. It's always THAT guy.

 

[Vegas6821]

Just take more frequent bathroom breaks. If you take 3 per hour at 5 minutes each you get clocked in at 1hr for only playing 45 minutes. Your not bothering anyone at the table doing this. Used to do this quite a bit when MLIFE wasn't so tight with table comps. I remember the days when the pit boss could print you out a voucher for restaurant right behind the blackjack table.

 

[Travel Fanatic]

Stretching five hours of hands/rolls into six hours of play?! That would be remarkable. You would need to add approximately fourteen seconds to every hand/roll/decision. Can you do that occasionally, sure. But over six hours??? Pull out a watch and time yourself. I think that is a harder task than you have thought through. Not to mention, there are some games where you cannot justify that kind of delay on a decision. Say you get dealt a hard 19 at blackjack. You're not going to fool a pit boss by taking fourteen seconds every time to indicate you are standing.

Additionally, I know some ADT equations factor in your pace of play. So if you're going to try this, do it at a casino that doesn't include that variable

 

[grosx2]

Agree with the general consensus here, too much effort for too little reward. Plus, the two "cons" you listed in the original post are pretty big ones, IMO. "Hella boring" = ruining your own fun, and "people thinking you are a DB" = ruining others' fun.

Some of the suggestions in this thread are much better options for increasing your rating....play at full tables, tip the dealer, engage the pit boss in friendly conversation, ask about your rating at the end of your session.

 

[Patman]

I haven't played much in card games lately, but I did generally try to play with dealers that didn't deal very quickly. But I wouldn't do anything that would make much difference in slowing play down. With craps now, as I think has been mentioned in another post, Cromwell and I think a few others have started to track the rolls per hour by flicking that lammer? over a sensor. I don't know if they actually factor that into the calculation each time or if they are just testing if their standards per hour are valid.

 

[Chuck2009x]

No, you can't stretch a session by 20% by picking your nose and fiddling and diddling. You can try to sit out hands, that's it.

Scoblete's "5 Count" craps system is the only method I've ever seen of avoiding play, and you have to be able to get away with it.

Scoblete originally presented it as a system to only bet on hot shooters, but he finally admitted what it really is, is you're sitting out 60% of the rolls and hoping you'll get rated as if you were playing every roll.

 

[zoobrew]

The most enjoyable way to slow play craps is to go on a monster roll at a crowded table, paying out those 6 point fire bets take time.

 

[j52chips]

Is this really a thread????Wow!!!!. I thought I was a low roller but slow play for comps????? Again WOW!!!!

Theoretically...

The longer you play at a table game, the more comps you earn. If I take longer with my decisions at a blackjack table, or play the silly drunk to slow the game down, or lament over how I should split my pai gow hands, I could conceivably play less hands per hour, thus losing less money, but adding to the time on my play.

Similarly, at a craps table I could be one of those players who has to arrange the dice just so, blow on my fingers, rub the felt, etc., and add 15-20 seconds to each roll of the dice.

If you made a concerted effort, you could probably turn a 5 hour session into a 6 hour session just by "playing slow." In each session you would see the exact same number of hands total, but you get an extra hour of comps by slow rolling.

Do you see any pros/cons in this theory (other than it being hella boring and people thinking you are a huge delta bravo), and how bad would it have to get before the house said or did anything about it?

 

[eaglejohn]

Just play on a full blackjack or crap table and before every throw or dealt card just pretend you are Forest Gump and say "Life is a box of chocolates" speech. I am sure all players will throw you money just to get rid of you