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Park MGM / Nomad to Reopen as 1st Smoke Free Casino on Strip

Discussion in 'LV Strip Hotels' started by ams722, Sep 14, 2020 at 6:12 AM.

  1. MikeOPensacola

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    If there was ever a time for doing this this would most certainly be that time.

    It will be interesting to see how they market this on MLife offers and their website. I’m also wondering if one of the CET properties will soon follow suit, or will they take a wait-and-see approach? Who knows how this will play out but I give MGM credit for being willing to give it a shot.

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    smoke free or not it's great to see that another resort is opening!!!! time to get back to normal folks!!!!
     
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    What better time to try this than when the hotels and casino haven't had smoking in them for 6+ months. There appear to be a lot of people who overlooked Park or just didn't care for their gaming floor in general, so this is an opportunity for MGM to carve out a niche and maybe get some traction behind their newly renovated property.

    My group has already decided that we will be giving Park a majority of our action on our upcoming trips. It wouldn't surprise me at all if a small handful of other casinos follow suit, both MGM and CET. If there are 20+ casinos on the strip, what is the harm of having 4 or 5 be smoke free.

    I know that money talks, and this will be the challenge as casinos look to trial this - how do you say no to a big bettor who used love staying at your property, but won't anymore because you won't let them smoke. They have to be banking on the idea there are enough low and mid level players, and a few larger players, that they will attract new play to offset the loss of some bigger players who smoke.

    MGM isn't dumb, I'm sure this is well thought out, and I for one hope that is a success and we see another casino or two follow suit.
     
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    I've never heard anyone describe National Harbor as glorious before. That is literally the worst MGM casino I have ever been to. It's like corporate sucked every ounce of fun out of it and left it with nothing but overpriced restaurants, tight slots and crap gaming regulations.

    I want to see Park do well but I also don't want to see Vegas become more un-Vegas like. Smoking, drinking, cavorting with women of bad moral character is what Vegas is all about. Doing things that you can't do at home, doing things that are bad for you. Considering how many of my local tribal casinos allow bar top video poker and drinking right now, are less strict on safety regs, and in some cases still allow smoking. What appeal does Vegas have over them right now?

    Only reason Park is trying this is because it doesn't attract whales. MGM's c-suite team knows if they tried this at Bellagio, good bye Mr. Whale from China who smokes a pack a day while playing $100,000 a hand on baccarat. Park gets the insta/millennial crowd and they might like it. Now whether or not it is profitable remains to be seen. I doubt it, especially after things get back to normal.
     
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    @Paul K my husband and I are at National Harbor 2-3 times a week so we're clearly happy customers! We eat at the restaurants several times a week as well since it's on our route to and from work. We haven't experienced tight slots knock on wood! We have a great host who takes care of us with events and show tickets so we'll happily keep National Harbor in business and enjoy it being smoke free :)
     
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    Glad you like it. We visited it during December of last year. Had some time to kill before we checked into our hotel so we decided to stop there. It was a pain to get to from the freeway. The casino was dead and since it was early morning almost nothing was open, including no bars or bar top VP. Lost $1,000 in less than 10 minutes and this included time walking from machine to machine. Finally, getting back to the freeway to head into DC was hard as you have to get on, get off, and make a u-turn.

    Even our friends who live outside of DC disliked it, though they aren't really gamblers.

    I just felt it was like Aria but way way worse. But, it is all subjective. I for instance love Wynn, some people hate it. I like Laughlin, some people hate it.
     
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    I'm excited to have a completely non smoking casino. It's pretty small scale too, which is nice.

    The whole Strip and beyond is available for smoking, so I think this is a great idea!

    And with masks mandates in place, it's easier for me to spend more time in non smoking areas. The difference is apparent after a while.
     
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    I’m almost certain that this topic came up here a while ago.

    I agreed then(now) that ParkMGM should be the trial property.

    If it works...great!!!

    If it doesn’t......what’s a couple hundred mill....
     
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    I think it will do well. They will lose some customers, but I think will see a net gain because of this. The strip is full of non smokers that will see this as an island paradise. Comparing this to the Silver City experiment holds no water for three reasons. Lesser location, it was a dump and it had no hotel. I think the rule of thumb is that hotel customers do 80% of their gambling where they stay, so Silver City had only walk ins.
    The other factor is that Silver City existed 25 years ago. A lot has changed since then.
     
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    Would definitely give me a reason to play and possibly stay there. Still hesitant about Park due to reviews I've seen saying the walls lack soundproofing.
    However I think it would be to their benefit to have some sort of smoking patio or lounge for those "light" smokers.
    I love Harrah's NOLA being smoke free.

    I really don't care what people do in LV, but like a choice.
     
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    They keep telling me (the ubiquitous "they") that slots in nonsmoking areas are tighter.

    Let's see if we start hearing that the slots at Park are tighter.
     
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    I would nominate The Cromwell as CET's non-smoking test facility....
     
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    I smoke in Vegas, and love to do so, but it does blow my mind that it is allowed. Even though I smoke, I might give this casino a try because it will probably save me a shit load of money. After a big roll at the craps table, instead of giving it all back on the next roller while smoking, I’ll take a break, go have a smoke , and probably decide to take the money and run to the next casino
     
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    I will say for those with lung conditions there is a HUGE difference between being at a bar where nobody is currently smoking and being in a smoke-free bar. Not having to look over your shoulder to see if someone around you is smoking is an amazing feeling.
    I Hope they get a good advertising campaign to get the word out and I wish them tons of success. Next I'd love to see a smoke-free option downtown.
     
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    Fyi I know some casinos have that kind of thing going, but it is generally a super tiny non smoking section. What I meant was 50/50. Half the floor. I think it is doable. Just need new vents or something. And fans b
     
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    I'm actually doing some work related to this space right now, and am coming to learn just how influential the tobacco companies are when it comes to keeping smoking a thing... whether in general, or in specific contexts such as indoors.

    I suspect that if the Park MGM experiment works out, other casinos might begin to offer smoking/non-smoking sections (I distinctly recall Harrah's and Riverside in Laughlin doing it this way) to see what the trends are like. The fact that those Laughlin casinos have kept offering those separated sections implies that they're working to some extent.

    The casinos in Atlantic City must (by law) have at least 75% of casino floor space designated as non-smoking. So if that can be made to work, 50/50 (which I think is more than reasonable) wouldn't be too difficult to pull off IMO. Then again, AC and Vegas are very different markets, so who knows how that will go in practice?
     
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    I think this is great news!
     
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    Good news about another reopening and it being non-smoking should help with mask compliance.

    Please let's not derail this thread with the endless debate of smoking v non-smoking. I asked nicely. ;)
     
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    This is a perfect time and place to try the concept. I will check it out and hope it does well.
     
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    Pandemic-depending, we should be doing 5 nights in Aria in April, booked through an MLife multi-resort generic offer. While I'm keen to keep Aria as a home base, I will absolutely be giving Park a sizeable chunk of my play if they stay smoke free. Hopefully the craps limits won't be too bad and I'll be pulling up to some bartop VP- the paytables won't be any worse then Gem Bar. Perhaps I will spend the morning in Aria when its quieter and move into Park in the evening.

    They will gain customers, they will lose customers- but I find it staggering that a chain with so many properties on top of one another has taken so long to make the leap- this is a no-brainer! It's a much tougher sell for smaller or single-property groups to step out from the crowd.