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November CET offers nosedived for me, anyone else?

Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Casino Hotels' started by HardEight44, Oct 15, 2020.

  1. HardEight44

    HardEight44 Low-Roller

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    My Harrrahs Philly and Harrahs AC daily offers both dropped bigtime. Philly went from $175 to $95 and AC $225 to $125. My play had not changed at all. I am very surprised by this. I have a call out to my host to find out if they credited me for a garbage ADT or perhaps this is a company wide issue b/c of Covid or maybe the new ownership? Regardless I am quite unhappy that this has occurred. Has anyone else noticed significant changes for November yet?
     
  2. zoobrew

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    But your play did change. I am pretty sure that you did not play in April, May and June in Philly & AC. A non-updated algorithm doesn't care why you didn't play (casinos not open), it just knows that for the last 6 months your total play is down. I find that local/regional casinos mark down your ADT very quickly when there are periods of no play.
     
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  3. maxev

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    I'm in the same boat with the algorithm. Had $140 freeplay/day all in March and then when they reopened in August and September. Didn't go at all until end of Sept.

    Then October, it dropped to $90.

    Extending deadlines on point expiration is good and all, but someone should've minded the algorithm!

    --max
     
  4. HardEight44

    HardEight44 Low-Roller

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    Well the locals have a shorter look back period I believe compared to Vegas no? I was under the impression that if you didn't go at all for a few months (closure) that offers would remain exactly the same. The other piece which is impossible for me to say without speaking to my host is whether or not my actually play on gaming days dropped this much. I would say in Philly I know they rated my play very poorly. They told me there were 9 rolls per hour on craps table when in reality surveillance found 90. I was very frustrated with the rating that day and only played an hour. The night before was an equally horrific rating although I played 3 hours. Over the summer in AC I did play much more at Caesars than harrahs because of the beach location but i don't think my play dropped in half. I am just wondering if there are not some marketing budget cuts being factored in.
     
  5. HardEight44

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    It's funny Bc sometimes I think ooo my offered went up. I should go every day of the month not play at all and just take the offers. Meanwhile the reduce them on their own anyway so I am not much better anyway.
     
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    Bizarre but I got the scoop. My Bally's amounts stayed the same which surprises me as I didn't spend a dollar there since reopening but took freeplay and gift cards. I was expecting it to drop a ton. My Caesars dropped by 10 percent and I know I played more there over then I did at any other point in the year. My harrahs dropped by 50 percent and I gave them very good play on par with what I always did. Host said my theo is about half of what it was 1 year prior which explains the drop in comps. I said but you were closed for three months. She said yes and that def hurt my theoretical loss. She said the algorithm may not be taking into account the closure.

    Let me ask you guys a good question. Now that trop ac is part of Caesars and I like the restaurants and amenities but don't like to play there if I stayed at trop, predominantly ate there, and used their lounges- would lessening my costs (food, beverage, room) in turn increase my monthly offers at harrahs and Caesars? Or do the comps given to me on property not factor into the algorithm which determines free play??
     
  7. maxev

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    @HardEight44 I would've thought AC casinos (including the newly welcomed Trop) would be considered a region and treated as the same comps (such as Vegas), but you seem to be getting varying amounts from each property, so I'm probably wrong.

    There was a non-Caesars casino where if anyone were to use their freeplay but not play anything more, the computer would deem them to not have played and it wouldn't count against them. A bunch of people discovered this flaw and just played their daily freeplay, then didn't play (or used another card to play). It took the casino several months to discover what was going on.

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  8. Flowers

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    Nope, they are very different in terms of comps based on play at that specific property. I had one crazy day of 7 or 8 hours of play in the high limit room at Harrah's, I want to say close to a year ago. I'm getting $600+ in free play EVERY day over the three day weekend (either free play or free play in lieu of a gift card), about half of that from Caesars, where I stay and do most of my playing, and $20 in free play from Bally's. So, this weekend, for example, I've got $1k collectively in free play, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, but I'm going to be stationary here in NYC to adhere to the quarantine rules, unless my Covid test result (I am assuming/hoping it is negative as I feel fine) comes back tomorrow. I feel fine but wanted to take one and it was pretty easy.

    But, I hope to hit AC next weekend (I'll definitely have my result by then) and I hope the offers stay strong for at least one weekend in November.
     
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  9. HardEight44

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    What game do you play?
     
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    VP and slots, and 95% of slots is Lightning Link. I was playing "HL" LL in Harrah's one night. It's the LL that starts at 10 cents and goes up to I think $2. I was playing dimes and quarters for hours. I wound up breaking even with a lot of regular small hits but my guess is the theo for the casino for the play that night was likely in the thousands, hence my getting the sweet free play. It's been higher than my Caesars AC Free Play ever since that night. Unfortunately, I don't think I've been to AC at all this entire year.
     
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    they are far more generous to slot players than table players that much is sure.
     
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    Another host of mine who helps me for out of market bookings confirmed that all of his Atlantic City offers for his clients are down substantially. He said it is not play related but combination of covid, end of the year public reporting, and eldorado mgmt cutting the marketing budget.
     
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    For whatever it's worth while in Philly today they outright confirmed to me that they cut everyone's offers by around fifty percent thanks to new ownership. I have heard that the same occurred in AC as well. A few months back eldorado said that they were going to cute the marketing budget. I guess they figure why pay players to come when they are local and will go anyway. Stupid us right?
     
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    I have had spectacular free play offers from Harrah's AC and Caesars AC for months and have not been able to take advantage of them once. I hope to finally be able to do next weekend. I will give some play but not as much as I normally do as I am saving my BR for the rest of the year for Vegas. And I don't care about AC offers being reduced as I don't think I will be heading to AC much between now and next summer plus it looks like offers are getting cut anyway. I hope the new management doesn't regret this but they are big boys and girls, and they will figure it out if it does.
     
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    Likely part of Eldorado take over
     
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    My Vegas Offers are the same, My Southern IN offers went down. My play is consistant at all properties. My gut tells me Southern IN is getting cheap to try and make things look better to a prespective buyer of the property.
     
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    I agree it's more likely related to El Dorado than anyting else.
    They want to save $500M in the first year. Marketing is certainly one of the areas.
     
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    My last winter months CET free play offers for Vegas were the highest I ever had at $450. Now down to $225 as I look at my future offers coming up
     
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    For whatever it's worth- I spoke to my Hosts's boss on Sunday at Harrah's AC. I know him from previous introductions. He confirmed 2 things occurred. 1) fourth quarter offers are always reduced across the board in the market. He said they always pick back up in the first quarter for whatever reason. 2) new ownership also put their foot on the peddle which had a doubling impact on the offer scale.

    He mentioned that in Philly it is indeed even worse. He said Philly is no longer offering return rewards for slot players in November. He said AC will still offer but May not be far behind. Philly is considered the same region as AC and Baltimore. I was told that he would not be surprised at all to hear that they really pumped the breaks hard in Philly offers and player ratings based upon what he has been hearing.
     
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    I just got my Baltimore offers for November 2020 in the app this morning. My very decent FP and bonus RC amounts were cut exactly in half for November compared to October. I am guessing that it is more of an across-the-board cut in non-Vegas and non-AC markets instead of a reduction due to no recent play in the market (haven't been there since April 2019). Meanwhile, my Vegas offers got just a bit juicier -- and I have no CET action in Vegas since February 2020.
     
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