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Not playing the day you check-in and check-out?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Attaboy, May 25, 2021.

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  1. BigDubbs

    BigDubbs Tourist

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    Oh my. This thread is fascinating. Back to the original question: do you want to play the night you arrive or the day you leave? If so, have a blast. If not, ef 'em. This does not seem like a case of deliberately abusing any system, but rather one of you deciding how to spend your time on your dime.

    If any casino wants to dock my comps because I took some time off, go for it. It will all average out. And if you really piss me off because I went to bed after a long flight, you can take a long walk down a short pier.
     
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  2. Mzctbb

    Mzctbb Life is a garden...dig it!

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    I play enough to earn free nights at The Cal, GG and El Cortez, so that should identify the type of player I am looowww roller.

    Having said that, I find this thread interesting, informative and incredibly confusing. I don’t know the difference between RC’s and TC’s, have no idea what my Theo or DMV is, and I don’t have a host, but I do enjoy reading everyone’s opinion of how comps work at different casinos.

    Mike
     
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  3. zignerlv

    zignerlv VIP Whale

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    That's a reasonable an accurate description. It has to be confusing since as I usually throw into these threads, most all responses are opinions and guesses. The EXACT criteria casinos use is confidential and can change in time. Ask 20 people, you'll get 20 different answers, yet none are probably 100% correct. To me, these threads should maybe even be locked, as they don't help much, and instead they confuse, as you noted.
     
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    I guess I wasn't contemplating drop in play, but then I typically don't play if I'm not staying. I guess if mLife would combine 5 days of drop in play to be the equivalent of 1 play day that would be beneficial. I just have a hard time believing that somewhere in the back end of the algorithm there isn't a calculation for how long your typical trip is.

    I guess my point was that there is no way that Mlife is not considering the length of the trip when factoring everything together. So even the 10k coin in in one day with Mlife (if part of a 6 day trip) still balances out when they consider how long your trip actually was. I would guess trip theo is more valuable with the example MCann mentions above where it's drop in play that's all combined to look like one.
     
  5. MCann

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    I won't pretend to know all the secrets, but I played just slightly below my average per day on my last MLife trip, but stayed longer than usual, and my offers that just came out yesterday had double freeplay and resort credit of my previous ones, and unlocked suites at a few more places, and brought my Aria/Bellagio/VDara comp nights from 3 days to 4, so this seems to hold true.

    I think the CZR ADT not only strongly discourages drop in play, but also really kills you on short trips. I average about 1000 TC per day there but my last trip there was just a weekend, and I arrived late on Friday night and checked out Sunday. I really only had time for one real day of gambling but I'm certain it was counted as 3 because I did play a little on arrival and had a bunch of comps applied and valet parking pickup on checkout day. Not sure what effect it has had on comps but offers have gone down for sure. And it is legit that yes I had 2 comp nights vs 1 day worth of play dollars, but the fact that I was there just over 36 hours total and my play was divided by 3 there is the huge downside to daily rating vs trip. I was there just about exactly 1.5 days (literally 37 hours exactly) but this is counted as 3 days by CZR daily weighted ratings.
     
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  6. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Bottom line - a casino has to figure out what you are worth. After all, they are not going to give a $100 worth of comps to somebody that might only give the casino $50 in play. They are betting that a certain amount of inducements will result in you spending enough to recover those costs, and then make a profit. It is that simple.
     
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  7. Attaboy

    Attaboy Low-Roller

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    As far as my original post, I did not gamble the first day nor check in day. But still gambled hard in between. Will see how my offers are affected in the near future.
     
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    QQ - do you think playing at a certain resort impacts your offers? I am heading to cromwell on Sunday and intend to give an MLife property a full evening of play to see if i get some tease/future offers... will i get different offers depending on if i put this same level of play (green chip $25-50 BJ, craps, roulette etc) in at say MGM Grand/Aria v Park MGM/Luxor...
     
  9. MCann

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    To the best of my knowledge, it used to make a huge difference with MLife and now makes no difference, with the exception that one or theo properties may still send non corporate offers in addition to corporate offers. The host they gave me is based at Excalibur, where I've never stayed, and I definitely have exponentially more play in at Bellagio and Luxor, and up until my last trip, had more play at Mandalay and NYNY than Excal for sure too, but he can book everywhere and said he gets the same credit and it doesnt matter where I stay or play. Your corporate offers will for sure be the same regardless of where you play, and in the Vegas market, those are the only ones I get. There is for sure some issue with my MLife account and marketing emails though, so it could be I'm getting property specific ones but never seen them. I get zero emails from them other than reservation and billing info, in spite of my marketing preferences being set to receive them from everywhere in Vegas and Biloxi.
     
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  10. JeJas

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    As intended!
     
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    On a recent trip at a mLife property, I didn't gamble on the day I checked in or checked out. Offers still went up even though my play was similar to the trip before this one.
     
  12. mickyblueeyes

    mickyblueeyes High-Roller

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    Don't forget Mlife is doing status match right now!
     
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  13. jcooper911

    jcooper911 Low-Roller

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    Assume diamond will get me gold at MLife? Not sure what benefits that brings but worth it I guess
     
  14. HardEight44

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    Not sure if this is the right strategy but I visited harrahs ac last weekend. I knew I was not going to have much playing time. I decided to play for an hour without my card on an E craps tables. I won a bit. Being that the machine doesn't award any points I figured it didn't make a different anyway. I also did not take my $150 free play voucher or swipe my card on property. I figured that taking the offer with little to no play would hurt my average. I didn't want my get away day to count as a plying day. I have been told if you don't swipe the card or play then it is as if you were never there. This is why hosts like to comp your charges the night before you leave.
     
  15. MCann

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    They started matching last year when I was like 2,000 points shy of gold already, but they matched my diamond plus to gold, which I did for the extra slot points bonus. I think it's 20% bonus on points earned. That's one of the only hard benefits for gold tier, and priority checkin lines. They list free room upgrades but the fine print says excludes suite upgrades. I have had pretty consistent upgrades to staywell ocen view rooms at Beau Rivage (100% actually since earning gold) but that's the only MLife property where I've stayed in a room that's not a suite, and I'm not convinced upgrades were necessarily tier based. If I recall correctly, they were matching diamond elite to platinum at the time but diamond and diamond plus to gold
     
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  16. SoCalMon

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    I stayed at the golden nugget May 30th to june 2nd and I did not play the check out day. I ended my gaming day at 2:30am (3am I believe is a new gaming day) the night before check out. Out of the 3 nights, only played 2 because the 2nd day I was mostly uptown and playing at the D after and did not get into the golden nugget until after midnight, which means that play counted for the 3rd night. I know because my points from before I went to bed still were there and did not say 0 when I played again on the 3rd day around 6pm at the nugget. I played a lot, got over 2000 points both days so I should expect no offers hurting or maybe even stronger offers. I will find out soon.
     
  17. AllenAndRossi

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    Everything I'm saying in this post concerning CET is pre-covid and pre-Eldorado.

    I've had 5 Executive Hosts at 3 different CET properties tell me no-play is better than low-play. And the only thing that counts as a gaming day is putting your card in a machine or having a dealer/pit boss swipe it.

    They also told me that using your Reward Credits to purchase a meal or in a shop on a day you don't play won't effect you because they have numerous partners that allow you to earn AND redeem Reward Credits online and they don't ding you for a no-play day when you redeem online or physically at a location.

    No-play on check-in or check-out day isn't going to hurt you. A no-play day on your trip isn't going to hurt you.

    BUT, once you stick your card in a machine, you have triggered a gaming day. If you stick your card in a machine to check points, but don't play, you have triggered a gaming day. THAT will hurt you.

    If you generally average 1000 tc's a day, but one day stick your card in a machine and only earn 150 tc's that day, THAT will hurt you. And it will hurt you more than playing that $750 through without putting your card in the machine.

    And remember, it's always important to know how a GAMING DAY is structured. With CET in Vegas, the GAMING DAY is 6:00 am to 5:59am. If you go out to gamble on a Monday night at 11pm and gamble until 8am Tuesday morning, everything you played until 5:59am Tuesday morning is part of Monday's gaming day, and everything from 6am to 8am is on Tuesday's gaming day. And if Tuesday is check-out day, that 2 hours of play could hurt you more than help you. But if you pull your card before 5:59am and continue to play until 8am with no card, it won't hurt you.

    Even a few of the hosts said they thought it was crazy that the system was set up so that it was to your advantage to not play with a card. But they also said some silly decisions are made by those a few paygrades above them by people with more expensive suits.

    Of course, until you test what they say, you don't know. Which is why I have tested what they said, and numerous times. On many trips, I've had an entire gaming day where I didn't play and didn't stick my card in a machine. I've also used Reward Credits on some of those no-play days. I've also just charged things to the room on those days. And I rarely play on check-out day. And when I have, it's usually because I'm still playing from the night before. But I pull my card right before 5:59am when I do.

    My offers have never gone down. They've stayed steady for the last few years or gone up some. I've had my current host for over two years now. He is still comping me suites I can't get when I look online. He has ALWAYS comp'd off any room charges on the backend without taking my Reward Credits, although, full disclosure, the room charges are rarely over $300 total.

    I'm just sharing what I've been told and sharing my own experiences. I was last in Vegas in August 2020 for four nights. It was a solo trip, so I just opted for a GO Mini-Suite at Flamingo, even though my host was trying to talk me into at least an Augustus Premium at Caesars or a newly remodeled one bedroom suite at Harrah's. He also told me they weren't doing the Welcome Baskets/Platters/Free Food and Drinks sent to the room for hosted guests due to COVID and to just make my own by charging to the room whatever snacks and beverages I wanted at the gift shop and to go have a nice dinner at Bugsy and Meyer's and he'd comp it all off without touching my Reward Credits. I didn't feel like doing Bugsy and Meyer's alone, so skipped that. Charged all snacks and food to the room(around $250). I had one completely no-play gaming day and stopped playing about 12:30am the night before check-out, so no play on check-out day. Earned a hair over 6000 tc's the entire trip. He comp'd all the room charges off without touching Reward Credits and reminded me next trip to do Bugsy and Meyer's or another high-end dining establishment when I'm with my gf and daughter and dad and he'll take care of it.

    My offers have stayed mostly the same. A few are better than similar offers in the past. I've been emailing with my host about maybe doing a July trip. We've discussed Eldorado. He said he and many hosts are shaking their heads at Eldorado's "petty cheapness", but that they are mostly leaving the Executive Hosts alone for now and to know he will always take proper care of me as a guest and client.

    I rambled on a bit more here than I had planned to. But I wanted to share what I've been told and my actual experiences with them.
     
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  18. Attaboy

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    You only did 6k tier credits and they left your rc’s alone?!? I did about 150k tier credits (without bonuses) last weekend and my host took my rc’s. That’s some bullshit.
     
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    6k over 4 nights (3 if we go with the no play day not counting at all) and you get that kind of treatment from your host?
    I would make sure to utilize that as much as possible before Eldorado kicks him to the curb.

    I am anywhere from 1000-2500 a day (not counting daily bonuses) so on a 4 day trip I would finish with around 7k tier credits. I am normally can not even get a chocolate bar covered without using RC first.
    I have been told the exact opposite from you by 3 hosts (all in different area's of the country) that once your account is on the reservation they know you are there and any low/no play days are factored in. That said 2/3 of those hosts did believe that check out day did not count unless you did another activity other then checking out.

    1 of my hosts did say that marketing offers are generally sent out to players in "ranges" and in my case I am decently above the minimum range for the offers I get so even if I had a no play day here and there it would not likely lower my offers unless my other days were also lower then average.
     
  20. nostresshere

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    As mentioned - Mlife uses a trip, so checkin and checkout days do not matter. CET does count each day.
     
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