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No more *free drinks* ????

Discussion in 'Comps' started by VegasDiva, Jul 23, 2017.

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  1. thecarve

    thecarve Misanthrope

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    If you're playing at a reasonable (slow but steady is fine) pace, you'll be ok. (But, definitely ask the bartender what the rules are so you can maximize your booze/dollar!)
     
  2. FullPay

    FullPay When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro

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    Glad you shared. It's very hard to determine what experience level people have from a few posts, but most of us here are trying to help and learn. I had a long relationship with Casino Royale before Best Western moved in, I hope they might go back to their old ways of doing business, but I doubt it. If I sit at their bar and don't have a cold beer within three minutes I'll move on.
     
  3. TomTWI

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    When I sit down to play VP at a bar (South Point or Gold Coast) I won't order the first time the bartender asks anyway. I usually wait and see how it's going. So I don't think this system would effect me much if set at a reasonable level.

    We all know however that once these things are installed it will be all too easy to adjust every time management needs to make a profit objective. Example: what was 1 Drink/$100 coin in becomes 1 Drink / $105 then $110. Or even more devious $120 on weekends and holidays. How would we know when they change it even?

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  4. Tex

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    We wouldn't know if / when a casino elected to change the setting. The only way you would be aware is if you play there often enough and are counting hands / coin in and the machine is producing a ticket and not just setting off a red or green light that the bartender can see. I would think the bartenders would know though. If I was a bartender I would want to know.

    It would be interesting if any members here who play where there are tickets produced to count the coin in for a drink. If these systems become widespread this info might become part of the standard info shared between players.
    "Yeah the Cosmo has 8/5 JOB for .25 and $125 coin in for each drink ticket"
     
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  5. DrLect

    DrLect Winning!

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    Could be a whole new revenue generating concept for Dancer.
     
  6. Tex

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    "Well I can't tell you where the best drink ticket machines are cause I do it for a living. But I'd be willing to sell you that info" :D
     
  7. SH0CK

    SH0CK Stylin' and Profilin' Quasi Tech Admin

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    I'm pretty sure there is a thread about the Chandelier Bar around here that has that info. Either that or @tringlomane has it.
     
  8. makikiboy

    makikiboy VIP Whale

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    I was wondering, is this situation only for bartop VP? What about the regular machines on the floor? Or can we assume that this will be the next step of tightening comped drinks?
     
  9. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    That's Dancer to a tee. Ugh.
    In my experience, and noting others' experiences the first ticket for Cosmo takes 20 points ($120 coin-in) minimum and either 15-20 minutes minimum.

    At TAG, which uses the light system that Ardent spins so much, you need $7 coin-in every 2 minutes to keep it green according to @jpw711. But as far as I know, you only need to have it green when asking for a drink. So in theory you could move machines and start over.

    I'm bummed that M is considering this route since they have 96 beers available for me to drink. Lol. But if they leave the paytables alone, I'll deal.

    So far, the thresholds are fairly reasonable. But casinos have the power to change it any way they like.
     
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  10. Tex

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    Appears to be bartop. Makes sense as the drinks there are of a lot higher quality and size. Premium drinks vs the little plastic cups you get on the floor. At the bar if the wife orders a Vodka Seven many times she is asked what type of Vodka. Order a Vodka Seven on the floor and you're going to get whatever low end swill they are buying in volume and they are seriously watered down.
    Last trip I was going to order a bourbon and seven and when I inquired what brand of bourbons they had I was offered Woodford Reserve and ended up having that on the rocks. That was very much appreciated.

    And at the bar people know they are going to be noticed pretty quick as the bartenders are right there. Out on the floor your at the mercy of waiting for a waitress to walk by. How many people are going to sit at a slot hoping to get a free drink? Then the 1 you get is about the size of a Texas shot glass.

    It wouldn't surprise me to see a strip casino put in a drink monitoring system on the floor machines though. They're starting to squeeze every $ in all other ways imaginable.
    I'd imagine the blowback on that though has the potential to be epic.

    The table games are self policing as it's obvious the people are playing and at what bet level and pace.
     
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    I can attest that at Linq and Flamingo it's drinks as usual. At the M'ville Casino the other night they came around faster than I could drink them, really.
     
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    I rarely if ever play the bartop machines....... slot gal here all the way but not for keno/video poker , etc
    Do appreciate the drinks
     
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    This part, I disagree with. Only the dealer and pit crew are going to have any significant insight into this. Just because someone is at a table, doesn't mean that they've "earned" a free drink as far as revenue is concerned. You could have a guy at the craps table taking the pass line at table minimum with no odds and a really slow shooter, and there would only be a few rolls before the CW came around with a drink.

    Additionally, it's customary in games like baccarat to sit out a few rounds. Especially in midi/regular baccarat, where the players get to reveal the cards themselves, and a round can be drawn out to be almost a full minute. So if it would take six minutes for a drink to come around, a player could only play every other round for a total of three hands before receiving his "free" drink. The CW doesn't see anything except for this guy at the table with his chips in front of him.

    If drink monitoring is going to come up anywhere, I say it's going to be at tables. The slow-playing that light systems are designed to detect is easy to do at the tables, but virtually impossible to pick up on, especially when it's the CW's call to make. So I don't think it's quite self-policing, specifically for players who are mooches.
     
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    Yup we are screwed!

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    I don't think so.
    I think the system will serve its intended purpose of not comping drinks to non players.
    The people who are putting a $20 bill in a bartop and sitting there and drinking, claiming to be playing are taking advantage of the system. They are taking away from you and I, the legimate players.
     
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    Like I said in the short term it doesn't affect me at all. But remember what happened with resort fees, once the system was widespread and accepted they just kept raising them.
     
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    Depends on greed.

    So far all the bars that have it on the strip have it set the minimum such that a player can get the drink for an expected loss less than retail. Cosmo for instance expects $120 coin in which is a $3.85 theoretical loss at 8/5 DDB with perfect play (probably more like $5 theo after errors). A domestic beer costs $7 there (plus tax?). But if you double the threshold, I might as well pay for the beer! But in reality, I would just flag down a CW, until they start metering that too, which is already being worked on.
     
  18. Tex

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    I can't disagree with that completely. I stated earlier that Vegas is changing and they are squeezing every penny possible from every angle so anything is possible.
    Vegas has always been known for free drinks if your gambling. Not that I'm anywhere near being an alcoholic but that's a big deal to a lot of people visiting there. It's the last widespread comp available to every player. Take that away and there are going to be a lot of very disappointed people.
     
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    Vegas is corporate America now so the greed is definitely there. Your number crunching is depressing me. I need a drink now.
     
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  20. bjpcyclone

    bjpcyclone High-Roller

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    At TAG, the bartenders told me that they also have discretion. So if you've been playing for hours with a green light and then take a little break and go to the bathroom, your light will blink. They can then decide to serve you a drink during that stage or alert you that you need to play more to be green.

    When CET first rolled this out, it was a disaster as bartenders had to stick to the lights with no discretion - and, as a bar VP, I hated it. I even switched to MLife for 2 trips because of it. But now the system is much smoother and makes sense. A serious VP player should have no issues getting as many drinks as they want (except at select bars which use tickets).
     
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