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No more *free drinks* ????

Discussion in 'Comps' started by VegasDiva, Jul 23, 2017.

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  1. VegasDiva

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  2. progrocker2112

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    If by player you mean those that are actually spending time at the bar playing and not wasting time putting in a 20, getting a drink and immediately cashing out and walking off, then I do not see how this could not improve service as the bartender will have not be spending time on the hit and runs. I didn't watch the video though, I'm just guessing that's what they mean. Of course it's ultimately about the casino's bottom line, but in the same sense that they don't hand out rooms and freeplay to those that just visit Vegas for the shows and eating. It would probably be easier to just train bar staff to make sure a player's card is inserted rather than license a system for this and you'd probably accomplish the same effect, at least initially.

    It may affect bartenders' income though, I'd have to see a study on tipping rates for players vs hit and run drink orderers to comment on that.
     
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    I see these things will stay, not going away.
    Why do you think gambling revenue will decrease? People will not gamble because of no free drinks?
    Unfortunately it doesn't happen that way.
     
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  4. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    There are a few bars here and there that have been doing this - at the bar. Many places have been doing it as a policy, but not with a machine doing the math. Just the bartender checking your play.
     
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    You want to be really spoiled? Head to Harrahs in NOLA where you order via the slot machine touch pad and a drink at 5X the speed than you would in Vegas. I was quite amazed.
     
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    It won't cost you $100. At all the slots we played at in December and May on the strip I was offered drinks as normal and my wife was offered drinks when she was just watching me play and vise versa.

    They are cracking down on the people sitting at bars and taking advantage of the top shelf drinks with little or no play. At Harrahs and Planet Hollywood the bartender basically just watched us play for a minute or two at best and then began serving us.

    I never played anywhere where drink tickets being issued so I can't comment on that.
     
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  7. The Rumor

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    If you are a decent player, this won't bother you (yet)
     
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    Yup! The days of sitting down at a bar with VP, sticking in a $20, 1 spin at max bet and getting a comped beer are long gone!

    Yet is right!
     
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    I gotta say, I see some of the cuts but I haven't felt a decline in comping of drinks as a table player, sports bettor, poker player, and floor slot/VP player.

    The main changes I see are declines in game rules, the parking nickel and diming, and the general inflation in the cost of everything on the Strip.
     
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    this system is loved and hated, lol..few years back they were talking about removing the system but its still in use today...main complaint was that you couldnt order exactly how you wanted it, example whiskey with no ice, order a whiskey and its getting ice. now when they bring it to the machine, you can tell the CW and they will usually remember it...where this system is loved is when you go to place that doesnt have it and are stuck waiting wishing they had it
     
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    ardee It's only money.

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    They had that (called Drinks4U) at Venetian/Palazzo a while back. Lasted about 6 months, but it was great while it lasted.
     
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    Makes you think though that free drinks will eventually be affected. First the cheap meals disappeared, then the resort fees started and now parking. I could see Vegas going to a drink ticket program on all machines.
     
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    It sure seems plausible for slots and VP on the floor, yeah. Super easy to track.
     
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    I think the OP must also write the headlines for yahoo "news"
     
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    Judging from the lack of service I received from cocktail waitresses while playing dollar slots at Caesars and PHo, free drinks apparently have already been done away with in Vegas.
     
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    Gambling is everywhere but complimentary alcohol for the low rollers only exists in Nevada, Mississippi and NOLA. I primarily play bartop VP and the tickets and lights haven't affected me because any system reveals that I sat down to play. The system at Cosmo was such that my wife and I could have stopped playing after three drinks and just sat there for three more. I'm not a slots player but the next logical extension will be to monitor players cards and relay that info to the CWs. The thing with Vegas has always been who is going to be the first to try it. It was like that with players cards, TITO, resort fees and now paid parking. I can easily foresee a future where every drink order includes a card swipe, but someone has to be first.
     
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    I really don't have a problem with a ticket system or any monitoring system for free drinks. That's because I play and know it won't be an issue. They're doing it because of the people taking advantage of the system. I see people doing that regularly while I'm sitting at the bars playing VP.
     
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    In 3 visits to Vegas in the past 12 months (last trip - last week) I have not experienced any issues in getting drinks in any casino playing slots, table games or VP.

    Most places when you are playing, you get drinks.
     
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    When you look at what speed/level of play is required to get a drink, it really isn't onerous at all. Just one more way of keeping the mooches away from the slot floor.
     
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    The vibe I'm getting from these changes is that they're trying to weed out the comp-hustling gamblers, who will do such things as putting in $20, making one play at max bet, and walking away... or playing super-slow on low-variance games like JoB, getting a comp drink, getting a second one, and then cashing out.

    I get that. It makes perfect sense. These mooches have done a considerable amount of damage to comps, and it seems to only be getting worse with the combined greed of gaming corporations, which just magnify the effect of comp-protection measures.

    There was a post in another thread that said something to the effect of "the only ones who are complaining about these changes are the ones who are part of the problem". Which I agree with. Legitimate players have nothing to worry about, since their legitimate play will be picked up by the computer as being legitimate - and accordingly, drink comps will come as if nothing has changed.

    However, we've got two problems with this approach...

    - A computer system is intimidating. Can you imagine a VIP whale sitting down at the bar, putting in $20, and being told "you have to wait for the light to come up before I can serve you a free drink"? You don't want to make your players feel like more of a number than what they basically already have become. Part of what make Vegas what Vegas is, is comp drinks. So if you sit down to play, part of the expectation is that you'll get a comp drink. In effect, that's exactly what will happen if your play qualifies. But having to wait is a real buzzkill. Kind of like having to go through secondary inspection at the airport. You'll get what you want eventually, but the inconvenience is no fun.

    - A computer system can be gamed like anything else. You think the mooches won't figure out that if you play exactly this much at exactly this pace, and order your comp drink at exactly this moment, you'll have minimized your possible loss? Then when casinos figure out that people are doing this, they'll make the rules even tighter - which, too, hurts the legitimate players.

    Personally, I think that the solution here is to make mid-level tiers of players cards invitation-only, and allow holders of such cards to be allowed comp drinks while playing without additional verification. Here's why...

    - There are two primary types of players card users. Legitimate gamblers, and comp hustlers. The latter will systematically work their way through the ranks to get free show tickets, pay no resort fees, and accumulate points for free play and cash back. The former will play the way they play, and advance through the tiers at the appropriate pace. There's no especially hidden agenda here. Just regular good old gamblers who are out to have a good time.

    - Comp hustlers will do their thing. Casinos aren't interested in them. What they are interested in, is legitimate players. Not just in the sense that they're not looking to squeeze every dollar of value out of the casino, but also that they're bringing in a respectable amount of revenue, and not appearing to play an advantage or zero-loss game. The issue with player's club tiers that you'll automatically get into irrespective of your "profile", is that a CET diamond member is a CET diamond member, whether you're playing a mix of penny slots and double-zero roulette and losing money, or whether you're playing perfect basic strategy on six-deck blackjack, with suspiciously skilled raises in your bets and seemingly not losing any money. You know exactly which of those two players the casino values more, and is wanting to give free drinks (or free anything at all) to.

    - Since the legitimate gamblers of the world aren't going to go gaming bartop machines for as many drinks as possible with as little play as possible, it doesn't make sense to cut benefits from them, just because other people are ruining it. This then raises the question, how do you tell who a legitimate player is?

    - The answer is, with human discretion. While a light system can gauge a player's current play, it's not going to be able to make an overall judgement call on a player's value to the casino in terms of what benefits they're getting. Anybody with a pulse and a $20 bill can walk up to a bartop, put in $20 and press some buttons. That may entitle them to a drink eventually, and in theory. But that action by itself says nothing about them as a player.

    - Reviewing a player's history can tell you a lot. If you've got two players side by side who have been coming to the property for several years, and one seems to be gaming the system, while the other seems to be a legitimate player, you're not going to restrict the latter player from getting a drink when they want it while playing... because you know they're not going to do the "play a little and cash out" bit.

    - If certain middle tiers of a player's club are invitation-only, it's kind of like having TSA pre-clearance when you go flying. You've demonstrated that you're trustworthy, not up to no good, and aren't going to pose a problem without going through additional security measures. If a host can readily identify that a player is not going to be "that" kind of player, they get invited to be part of that invitation-only tier, which means they're not going to go through what players of a lower tier might have to go through to prove themselves "worthy" of a free drink.

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    To me, this makes a lot more sense. There's so many legitimate gamblers out there who had ought to be getting free drinks without restriction (Vegas wouldn't exist if such people weren't around). But there are comparably fewer mooches who are the ones that are ruining it for everyone. I say cut off the ability of the mooches to become part of the same club as legitimate gamblers, and you're going to get a lot less complaints from those who you care about.
     
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