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Table Games New blackjack player observations

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by SW, Mar 26, 2013.

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  1. Huddler

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    I only play at $25, $50, or above tables and I ALWAYS ask if the players at the table "mind if it sit down"? They will usually say "no, go ahead". And if I dont want anyone to sit down, I will ask the pitboss to raise the minimum bet at the table. But I would never tell someone they couldnt play. I dont own the table and if they have money they can play.
     
  2. brennan2323

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    I guess I should have stated a few other facts...........don't want you to think I'm rude since I'm neew to this board. It was a 6 deck table and I did wait until the end of the decks to get in. If it was mid-shoe I would have asked if they minded that I sit, but in this case since it wasn't mid-shoe I felt it was ok to join without asking. This was the only time I've ever encountered someone like this and was just curious. Thanks for all of the replies and for the suggestions. It wouldn't have been fun to play with the guy at the table anyway as I prefer a more vocal , fun table. Superstitous but I always do better as the mood seems to be lighter and more fun. Plus, if I lose then at least I had some fun and good conversation.
     
  3. thecarve

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    Exactly. :thumbsup:

    You did the correct thing in terms of etiquette. And you did the right thing by leaving the table anyway. There’s no sense in letting some prick bring you down when you’re trying to have a good time. Right?
     
  4. HuskerBB

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    If it was at the start of a new shoe the guy was just a complete jerk. Some people do like playing by themselves but if it is that big of a deal to them then they need to pony up enough $'s to have the casino reserve a table for them.
     
  5. gambler

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    I've been playing bj for awhile but I learned a new rule last week.

    I was playing by myself at a table at the D. Anyone who's played there knows that it is notorious for loud music. I had 18 and the dealer had H17 but took another card and dealt himself a 2.

    I started waving my hands about his taking another card cause I knew he'd never hear me and before I knew it the pit boss came over. She said something about insurance to me so I leaned across the table and asked her to repeat it. Again she said something about insurance. I cupped my hand to my ear and said I'm sorry I can't hear you. She came around the table and nicely said in my ear that you can't put your hands past the insurance bet.

    Oh good grief (I think) I said. Look what he's got! She went back and stood behind the dealer and picked up his last card and put in the discard pile so I got paid for a win.

    I will never forget that rule though, "No Hands Past The Insurance Line".

    Unless I'm getting shortchanged. Then I'll flap away.
     
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  6. keno

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    They called you that at the D? I guess your hands must have been pretty far out there. But, at least they did the right thing and you got paid.

    There are lots of break-in dealers at The D. I've been at the table for many auditions (which I think is fun.. they are SOOOOO nervous... lol). But, the Pit bosses have always been good about calling back bets. I had a dealer there hit a 8 card 22, but she thought it was a 21 and took all our money and scooped up the cards. I immediately screamed for the pit boss and and demanded they recount the cards but she mucked them up so bad picking them up, it was hard. I called out everyone's hand and her entire 8 card draw and he paid us on it.

    I also did that when someone there hit on a H17 and I had a 20 (her hit card was a 4...) and they paid instantly.

    So, while many mistakes are made there, they fix them well. And no, I don't count cards, I just have a very good memory for cards. Counting cards is a completely different skill set. I can remember most hands played for a couple of rounds, but that's different that counting up the cards that were played. counting cards you need to know which of each type was in play and keep tally, but I can just recall what was played after the fact. I'm not against counting cards, but I find it too tedious. I'd rather just remember what was played when I know I should have won :)
     
  7. WrongWayWade

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    I was at a table somewhere, I forget where, and the betting circles were REALLY close to the player's side of the table. It was a 2-deck pitch game, and I had to be admonished more than once for not giving my hit sign (scratching the card) in front of my betting money.
     
  8. WrongWayWade

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    Responding to this original post, any player that asks me to LEAVE before I even sit down (or hell, at any time), deserves anything he gets. I'd sit down, and buy in with $500 all in 5s (if I had it). I'd play as slow and stupid as possible, agonizing over every 16.

    What a jerk. It's one thing to ask to wait for the end of the shoe, but jeez...
     
  9. WrongWayWade

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    It's actually simpler than that. You don't need to keep track of different kinds of cards, you just have to count them when you see them. So all the math you are doing in your head is stuff like 3 + 1 + 1 - 2 - 2 and then remember a single number in your head between rounds. You see a busted hand Q4J, it's -1. You see a made hand 56Q it's +1. You see a blackjack it's -2. Easy-Peasy!

    I believe one of the worst misconceptions about card counting came from the Rain Man movie when the boss says 'Nobody can count into a 6-deck shoe.' And the way Raymond was doing it, he actually KNEW the exact count of all 13 kinds of cards that had been played, (like when he told Charlie 'Lots of Queens left'.) You'd have to be a savant to keep track of that kind of information; but even then it wouldn't be that useful. Without a computer program you wouldn't know what to bet or how to change your play. (In the olden days, Keith Taft did invent such a computer to use at the table, but those were outlawed long ago.)

    Knowing the relative distribution of high to low cards and the single number that encapsulates that knowledge is all you really need to make your betting decisions (where 90% of your gain comes from.)
     
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  10. topcard

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    I've told plenty of people that this is wrong - you can count a 6-deck shoe... but you need a very high count (vs that of a two-deck game) to justify increasing your bet.
     
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    I do a fair amount of back counting- stand behind the players and count cards, then enter the game when the count is favorable.

    Sometimes when I jump in, another player will say "would you mind waiting?" I ignore them and play. I play for money, and my chips hit the felt when I have an edge.

    Note- the people asking me to wait are ploppies concerned about the "flow of the cards" or some other nonsense. I would NEVER enter a game if another counter is at the table. I don't want the exposure. And its easy to see the difference between ploppy or counter, no matter how good their act.
     
  12. WrongWayWade

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    With an unbalanced count system like Red 7, it goes like this.

    2-decks: Start at 18 and when you get to 22 you start betting more.
    6-decks, Start at 10 and when you get to 22 you start betting more.

    You'd be surprised how often you can get those 12 extra pluses with 6-decks. But you certainly can go through a whole shoe without every betting more than the minimum.

    With 2-decks you will get more instances of increased bets, but they last for MUCH fewer hands (all those resets to minumum with the shuffle). With 6-decks you often get long stretches of hands with increased bets.

    All that being said, 2-decks have been far more productive for me overall. But I never shy away from a shoe if that's the best game going.
     
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