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Never Use Your Loyalty Card if You Don't Intend on Playing

Discussion in 'Comps' started by spdandpwr, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. Multifarious5

    Multifarious5 VIP Whale

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    I know this might be a trite comparison, but I have always seen comps as VERY similar to a credit score.

    Do great for years, and your credit score still may not go up all that much.

    One or two dings? It can plummet...years of hard work, down the drain.

    They (hotels/players card programs) might not say anything if you light/no play them on a trip, but then your "credit" can later, even months later, drastically drop, and it can sometimes be tough to rebound.

    Using your card on a light trip, even if you're not staying there? You have just negatively reset your data, your credit score, for future offer algorithms.

    Now a host can look at trends, and make exceptions for strong players.

    Computer generated offers? You're at the mercy of algorithms/risk/consistency....often based on recent data more than overall history.

    On the flip-side, you might be able to use this "does not compute" Borg-style, data-driven mindset to your advantage. Computers/algorithms LIKE low risk, consistency, it is reliable revenue.

    If I think I might light play on a trip? I stay at a hotel chain I don't care about. And I never, NEVER "pop in" and use a card.

    My goal is consistency, consistency, consistency....no dings, no risk for their little algorithms.

    Now, when I say "consistency", I am NOT saying "chase". I will not use my card, or book a comp, unless I can reach my "easy" coin-in target. For me, it's 4k coin-in daily. (4k is a rough coin-in day for me, 5k average, 6k is very good.)

    4k daily coin-in is my minimum target. If my budget is lighter than 4k coin-in daily for that day/trip, I don't book/use my card.

    4k daily coin in on slots can be around $133 a day in comps, but Aria, Bellagio and other top hotels have consistently given me 3-4 nights free, no RF, plus good FP/RC... for years...including corner suites at Aria once a year, based on this consistency. (I've had multiple trips where I'm getting more in comps than my prior daily coin in that generated the offer.)

    A host, who CAN crunch the numbers would probably laugh me out the door. Can you see asking a host at Aria for 3-4 nights in a corner suites, plus solid FP/RC, for $4k-5k daily coin in? I've found (for now) modest but consistent/reliable coin-in numbers CAN work wonders with computer algorithms.

    Treat your comps like your credit score...carefully, and by not booking anything if you can't easily hit your conservative "numbers", and by avoiding using your card on pop-ins. It just resets your data to weaker figure/number.

    PS I was a Monte Carlo gal...so not a big fish. I just found, ironically, consistency with computer generated comps gave me
    the ability to break into better hotels, so I ran with it!

    Great post...and I am so glad you shared it! This is great insight into how unforgiving the computer-generated comp system can be. (Or, if used to your advantage...generous!)
     
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  2. Geogran

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    Hi @Multifarious5
    I like your analogy! Never thought of it that way. :beer:

    I tried in the early days but I’m not disciplined enough in Vegas of all places to maintain tracking Coin In and ADT other than occasionally asking or looking it up. On a day to day basis, I have no clue. I just know what my daily envelope contains and schlepp around til it’s gone, doubled in size, or can’t keep my eyes open any longer..:rolleyes:

    So far it’s worked for me. 4 nights at cosmo or any mlife property in a basic suite, RC, FP, to/from airport, backend comps, occasional show tickets. 3 nights at Wynn and V/P plus some comps, with lower spend there.

    Guru’s, please don’t judge me. Cause I have a blast in my own little Vegas way. :cool:
    (Back home when it comes to managing finances, IRA’s, investments, I’m a hawk watching over the hen house).:evillaugh:
     
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  3. snoopydogj

    snoopydogj Low-Roller

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    So I guess I should NOT use my card the morning I leave.
    Typicaly just dink around while waiting to head to the airport around noon. Big mistake?
     
  4. DaiLun

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    Depending on the casino and player's club chain, pretty much so. CET rates by the "play day", mLife by the trip. I believe that "play day" is more common, but don't quote me on that.
     
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  5. spdandpwr

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    Damn! My go-to strategy is to always play the day I leave to see if I catch a break. But, wait, since you're checking out -- and likely getting food -- I guess you're going to have to play anyway.
     
  6. DaiLun

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    I normally leave before the new day starts, so no problem for me. However, coming up, I have a trip where I don't leave until the afternoon. Hopefully, I can "pace" myself through lunch.
     
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  7. spdandpwr

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    Yeah, I typically stay and play for a little before I leave (AC). I get comp'd any room / any time there so I guess it's no big deal. But, in Vegas, I do the red-eye which hurts me a little because there's not much to do from 10am - 7pm
     
  8. nostresshere

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    VERY VERY GOOD ADVICE.

    You may be "tripped" due to hotel checkout... but, if that day is going to be a low play anyways, why bother? At least in my case, if I play, it is going to be VERY LOW anyways. Just so little gain, and maybe a high loss.
     
  9. Guy_

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    When I go into Vegas, My flight usually lands close to 11pm.. by the time I get luggage.. get an uber, check in at the hotel etc.. it can easily be 12:30.
    After a full day of travel I am usually tired as well..

    so that first night is often a "No play day" or very little play for me and I am playing catch up the rest of the trip.
    I never play on my check out day as I usually leave around 11am. My understanding is that the checking in counts as a day.. but checking out does not.
    I can not confirm that with anything solid facts tho.. just something I was told a while ago and stuck with me.. and seems to keep my comps up by following the advice.
     
  10. 3544quebec

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    "Never Use Your Loyalty Card if You Don't Intend on Playing"

    I think a more useful piece of advice would be:

    "Never Go To a Casino if You Intend on Playing"

    There is no doubt we would all be better of if we followed that maxim :soapbox:
     
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  11. spdandpwr

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    I had another thread where I equated the cost of earning Diamond to an average of 3k a year (an average over 3 years). Considering I get free rooms (any time of year), food credit, free booze, no resort fees, and some free play I net out even. Said another way, I stayed in Atlantic City for 4 nights last year during July 4th weekend which was $1,500 for the room alone (if I booked outright). I'm pretty happy with what I get for playing -- and, who knows, I might actually win a jackpot or something.
     
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  12. zignerlv

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    That depends on the casino. I know that for Caesars Resorts casinos, check-out day counts as a day of activity whether you use your card or not. You can verify this. Don't use your card for anything on checkout day. Then, a few days later, log onto totalrewards, and you will see your last activity date is the checkout date, not the date of your last use of the card. This has been the case every time I've stayed at a Caesars casino. Now I no longer avoid using the card there on check out day, and I've used that to my advantage, qualifying for some daily bonuses with a small amount of play, and charging breakfast to my card. My offers haven't changed since I started doing this since it already is a day of play whether I play or not.
     
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  13. DaiLun

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    AFAIK, that applies Las Vegas only. Checkout day is not recorded as a play day in Reno/Tahoe.
     
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    How do you check last activity date? I only can reverse engineer from the reward credits expiry but that seems asinine.
     
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    Well apparently there has been an update in the last 6 months or so, as they no longer state the last activity date on the main page per se, but they have the rewards expiration date, which is 6 months from your last activity. "Reward Credit balance expiration date: XX/XX/2019". Of course if you have other activity after your stay, the true last activity date might be masked, so best to look at the expiration date two or three days after your trip.

    Next trip I'll see if I can verify this again, as our accounts are not linked. One of us is checked in, and we will only play/use card the day before check out day. I'll see if our expiration dates are a day apart again.

    As far as this being "asinine", I am the far from a casino backer as far as defending much of what they do to players to take as much as they can get from us, but after giving you a comp (or discounted room) and knowing you are at the hotel/casino on check out day, I don't like it, but it seems reasonable to use check out day as an activity day.
     
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  16. DaiLun

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    And elaborating on this. . . .this is how my Aunt made 7* by playing minimum bet on slots. She plays like 8-12 hours a day . . . .
     
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    @Multifarious5
    That has to be the best comparison of players card systems that I’ve ever seen!
    That’s exactly true!
    Casinos use the same model as credit companies (basically)
    Low risk, easy money.
     
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  18. spdandpwr

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    Heard back from CET:

    Whenever you are planning to play for quick stop by, I advise not to put your card in, because it will affect your play and lower the average play.
     
  19. Multifarious5

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    Geo, you are the best!

    I think you play more, so you don't need to watch as closely!

    Like credit, (high income and low debt-to-income ratio), higher coin-in is less risk for them. If you have a lower income/higher DTI ratio (or more modest coin-in) you might still get good credit offers, you just have to be more careful to ensure you remain "low risk".

    And thank you @TIMSPEED ! I just see so many people think "I can't get offers at my level" then they burn through teaser offers, versus using them to "build credit". Vegas loves for us to think we don't "spend enough" but often, we can get more than we think, if careful.
     
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  20. spdandpwr

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    This is probably why I get so taken care of at the Wynn. I never do the drive-by there, I lose what I feel like losing, and I get my comp rooms, free play, show tickets, etc.
     
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