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Table Games Most generous tipper (GEORGE) at a small stakes table.

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by parlayboy, Feb 21, 2017.

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  1. parlayboy

    parlayboy Tourist

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    I've seen some very generous GEORGE's in my time, but this one girl I played next to last week takes the prize.

    We were at a $5 2d BJ table at Boulder Station. She was not very good ( meaning she was a seat-o-pants guesser who would do things like not DD on an 11 vs 6 and then DD on an 8 vs 8 and other very random bad % plays ). She was a bit slow too and I caught her hitting "soft 20" once as she had some trouble just counting her hand up.

    But amazingly she got up to meet her party with $200 and said she started with only $40. But the more amazing part was how much she had toked the dealers. She was only betting $5 or $10 with a $1 on the "20" gimmick thing every once in a while ( she lost more than she won on it ). But she'd toke the dealer $5 on every BJ or DD win she got and often bet $2-$5 for the dealer to boot( when she was only betting $5 or $10 for herself. She was toking so much I didn't think she had any chance to leave a winner. There were hands that she bet $5 for herself and the dealer and the $1 gimmick. She lost the $1, won her hand and netted a $1 loss out of it in total having out out 11 and gotten back 10. Yet she still won $160 net.

    I've seen some big players toke green and black chips when betting purples like crazy, but I've never seen a low-stakes player toke so much and so often - and not go bust. I swear she had to have tipped at least $400 in the hour I was sitting next to her.

    Still amazes me how generous she was and how lucky she was in that session. The dealer was busting at a fair clip but she was so bad and yet could not seem to lose.
     
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  2. Ezzy711

    Ezzy711 VIP Whale

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    Nothing is more annoying than someone who doesn't have a clue winning over and over.

    I play better than you described her, but I'm also overly generous to dealers. I worked in the hospitality industry for a long time, although I've been out since 2000. I know how difficult it is to be nice to everyone. To me it's part of the fun. Dealers usually pull for the player, they know they will do better if you do, but when I bet for them I think we are really in it together. I am usually a $10 - $15 player and will bet $2-$5 for the dealer if I'm holding my own. I also admit I've gotten a few subtle hole card hints in the process. I also think dealers appreciate it more at the lower tables because many novices wouldn't do it but once they see it done they are more likely to do it themselves. Of course if I'm on a bad streak I'm not throwing money away but I always tip a few chips at the end of a bad session.
     
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    I'd definitely tip every hand if I could see the hole card! You could have up to a 13% advantage over the house!

    (Assuming you know the right plays and don't tip over the amount of your advantage!)
     
  4. topcard

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    This.
    If I've been tipping fairly frequently, and having 'fun' at the table, I start noticing subtle gestures when the dealer has checked their hole card.
    For example, let's say I have a hard-15 and the dealer has a 10 showing. I signal a hit, and she doesn't hit me. She looks at me and waits, not hitting unless I signal again.
    I've often noticed that the dealer's hole-card ends up being a 2 - 6 when that occurs.
     
  5. spdandpwr

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    Looks like I'll need to start tipping / visiting the BJ table more often. Had a buddy walk out up $7k not to long ago.
     
  6. OhioStateAlum

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    I could be wrong, and maybe it can vary from place to place, but I'm 99.99% sure that dealers can only see their hole card if it is an A, K, Q, J, or 10. The markings are in a different location on the card for all others. There is no way for a dealer using a hole card reader to differentiate between, for example, a 9 and a 4.
     
  7. Nittany1

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    TopCard can correct me if I'm wrong but the subtle delay implies it is not an Ace or 10 value.
    Thereby increasing the chances of a bust total,13-16, being flipped .Maybe making the decision to hit or stand not the normally obvious one per basic strategy.
    Again I could be off.
     
  8. alexm

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    Last trip I found myself using a tipping strategy that felt both cost effective and generous. Playing in the Plaza party pit, $5 minimum, 3-2 I would bet 5 dollars until a black jack hits. I then add $1 to my bet for $6 on the table. Every win would give the $1 to the dealer, but not the bet dollar. If I hit another blackjack, bet would go to 12, and so on and so forth. Table was empty on a Monday night so played mostly 1 on 1, and she colored up to green 2 times. And I colored up my 50 to 300. Once the dealer realized that the top dollars were for her we had a lot of fun.
     
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  9. topcard

    topcard Celebrating 40 Years of Vegas Trips in 2020!

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    Yes - with the advent of the optical readers, the dealer only knew it wasn't a 10/A in the hole...so, the pause could only mean "2 through 9" in the hole).
    In the prehistoric days, they would manually check their hole card on any 10/Ace up...(except for Caesar's, who only checked with an Ace-up.)

    When the optical readers first came into use, the "hole card 4" was an easy "tell" for quite a while... if they had a 10-up, checked the hole, and then re-checked it? It was almost always a 4 in the hole.

    Edit-to-add math:
    Not a ten or ace in the hole? That leaves 2 - 9... with only 7-8-9 giving them a hand...giving the player a 5/8 chance (62.5%) of the dealer having a bustable hand....more than enough edge to justify standing on 15 or 16.
     
  10. Jaygee77

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    I might be misunderstanding you. Can you please clarify your point on the hole card check? If a ten is showing, and they check for blackjack, it doesn't rule out the possibility of another 10-J-Q-K underneath. That throws off your math significantly.

    Are you implying that there is (or was) a way to tell if the hole card was a ten anyway?
     
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    The optical readers will tell them if there's an Ace, Ten or any face card in the hole.
    If the dealer is showing a ten, checks for the ace but sees that there's no ten, face or ace, then any subtle hesitation when I signal to hit a hard 16 may be a clue.
    Obviously, this only applies in shoe games or after a split - when all of your cards are visible to the dealer.
    Hey - it was just an observation... but it is something that I've noticed over the years when tipping well.... not actually telling you their hole-card...just little physical clues that indicate that you may want to stand or hit, after they've checked the hole-card.
     
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    (It was certainly more prevalent when they used to check manually)
    I do recall the fancier readers where the dealer actually pushed a button before checking to indicate what their up-card was - pressing the "10" or "Ace" button... I assume that those would only reveal the hole card when blackjack occurred.
    Don't see those anymore though.
     
  13. OddsWrkin

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    I am fairly certain that the cards go in vertically to check for an ace, horizontally to check for a ten (or vice versa).
     
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    Odds... that's something which is probably 'casino-specific'... seems like most of the tables I play have a reader & the card slides in under it the same way, whether a ten or ace is showing.
    If I'm remembering correctly, there are still some casinos/tables that check manually.

    Seems like the most passive system was the one with the buttons. They didn't even have to look - the reader would tell them "blackjack" or "no blackjack" with a light (or something like that). I wasn't perfect, however. I recall (more than once) the machine telling the dealer 'no blackjack', but it turned out he had one after all.
     
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    Venetian cards:
    Venetian cards-optical read.JPG
    This seems to confirm what was posted above... that (at the Venetian, anyway), the special marks are on opposite corners (Ace versus 10), requiring insertion into the reader at a different orientation, depending on the up-card.
    In this kind of situation, there would be no difference between a 6 or a Jack (when the up-card is 10). When looking for the Ace, every card would be inserted into the reader (face down, of course) with the top, left corner. Anything other than Ace would be blank. With the Ace up-card, the dealer would have to turn the hole-card horizontally, so that the mark for tens would now be in the horizontal top left corner...and anything other than a ten-card would show blank.
    Very effective system they've developed there.
    But some still do it the old way...and others still, simply use a mirror-reader which shows every card's value....and some use card where Aces & tens are marked in the same top-left corner.
    Venetian cards-optical read.JPG Aces-tens-same marking.JPG
     
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    the subtle delay from the dealer depends on the dealer knowing what the player is holding...works fine for a shoe game where the player's cards are showing, but not so much with a game where the players cards are dealt face down....no?
     
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    Yep...only works with a shoe-game, or after you've split....(or, if you show the dealer your cards, as I'm sure many of us have done from time to time).
     
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    I used to love this "tell". You'd see them check and hesitate and check again. You could be pretty confident it was a 4.
     
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