1. Welcome to VegasMessageBoard
    It appears you are visiting our community as a guest.
    In order to view full-size images, participate in discussions, vote in polls, etc, you will need to Log in or Register.

Monte Carlo; changing name but is it closing?

Discussion in 'LV Strip Hotels' started by Drewm1972, Nov 12, 2016.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Drewm1972

    Drewm1972 VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2016
    Messages:
    2,269
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    20
    So I was reading some news and little confused I am aware that MC is changing their name along with trying to be more high end hotel right? (Please tell me if I have a wrong)
    If so are they closing for renovation for some periods of time? How long are they closeing? My mlife shows they are open and if they are making it high end...is it Aria type? Can some one make it more clear please?

    I played there for like 1 hr of BJ but didn't like th low ceiling out dated decor... etc.
     
  2. SH0CK

    SH0CK Stylin' and Profilin' Quasi Tech Admin

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2001
    Messages:
    17,566
    Location:
    Tennessee
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    44
    • Informative Informative x 1
  3. Drewm1972

    Drewm1972 VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2016
    Messages:
    2,269
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    20
    Thanks scott for quick reply.. I see.. yeah I know thought they will be still open during renovation.. do you know how high end this would be? Mlife website shows hotel pricing very reasonable even for next year..
     
  4. SH0CK

    SH0CK Stylin' and Profilin' Quasi Tech Admin

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2001
    Messages:
    17,566
    Location:
    Tennessee
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    44
    I think they are aiming for it to be a 4* property when it's all said and done, putting it under Aria and Bellagio but marketed above Mandalay Bay and MGM. I wouldn't be surprised if their pricing is near what Aria and Bellagio bring in now when they make the brand change, but will drop down with time much like Linq did.
     
    • Informative Informative x 2
  5. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2013
    Messages:
    19,734
    Location:
    Chicagoland
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    22
    Linq was weird. They priced significantly too high at first, but then prices dropped fast because they had to shake the bad IP connotation. Now its consistently a slight notch up ($10-20 more rack on weekdays) from the "value" tier, Flamingo/Harrahs/Ballys/Rio.
     
  6. Drewm1972

    Drewm1972 VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2016
    Messages:
    2,269
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    20
    I never stayed at Linq however, i hear mostly good things about Linq it's probably one of the best hotel for the money..
     
  7. FYMYAWF

    FYMYAWF It's not a bender, it's a lifestyle.

    Joined:
    May 8, 2016
    Messages:
    1,084
    Location:
    San Francisco, CA
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    32
    I'm interested to see how Monte Carlo/The Park is going to try to spin this into a "luxury" resort when the standard room size is just 400 sq ft. That's on the small side even for lower end resorts on the strip.

    I agree w/tringlomane, I think they're going to overreach on rates at the start because they can say "ooh, look at the new!", but then rates will drop as people realize they're paying a premium for a small room.
     
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2016
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  8. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

    Joined:
    May 4, 2009
    Messages:
    16,800
    Location:
    TN
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    25
    They can spruce it up, but they can not change the basics. Will not be high end, just better than it was/is.
     
  9. Multifarious5

    Multifarious5 VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2015
    Messages:
    3,390
    Location:
    west coast
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    17
    HI Drew, here is a decent synopsis of their plans.

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2016/06/06/bye-bye-monte-carlo-las-vegas-casino-resort-being-replaced/?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us

    I wish them the best, but they've made some really poor player retention problems the past couple of years.

    We stayed there for years, and the staff repeatedly bemoaned how Aria and other properties (but especially Aria) were "poaching" their good players. But even we found from experience, unfortunately Aria and other properties flat focused on player retention more than MC. If they don't correct that, they'll keep losing any players they win...rebranding or not, there are flat too many high end Mlife properties for them to rebrand without adopting a better player retention approach, so we'll see.

    I do think nostress has it right, it will be nicer, but they flat can't go toe-to-toe with Aria, Cosmo, Bellagio, etc. The architecture (no floor-to-ceiling windows and smaller rooms for most rooms ) flat sets it a tier below, no matter how spiffy they make it, but I don't think they see that. And the lack of aggressive (or even tepid) player retention is another whammy.

    BUT others mentioned Linq, which is a great example of a rebrand and breathing fresh life, and now it's hopping.

    I DO wish them the best. Even though it wasn't the nicest spot on the strip, we still have a soft spot for MC as it was our first Vegas haunt together! :)
     
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2016
    First time in Tahoe!!!
    Mother-Daughter trip-Tower Suite (roll away for me!)
    • Like Like x 2
  10. iamsomedude

    iamsomedude Low-Roller

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2014
    Messages:
    475
    Location:
    A place that is not Las Vegas, but I wish it was.
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    40
    Like everyone mentioned, they're pretty much following same plan as CET did with the Linq and the Linq Promenade. While the redoing of the hotel is essentially putting lipstick on a pig, the real draw is the bars and restaurants on the path to the T-Mobile Arena as well as the T-Mobile Arena itself, which mirrors the Linq Promenade and the High Roller.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  11. Nittany1

    Nittany1 VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2009
    Messages:
    2,590
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    88
    I think MGM management is looking to go more in the direction of the Cromwell like CET did with Bills.
    Somehow, Cromwell has managed to keep their room rates up despite the small rooms and some with virtually no view.
    They will shoot for unrealistic rates at first but the market will figure out where it settles.
    Not sure how much lipstick they are going to be able to apply to the MC.
    Rooms are tiny,bathrooms are really tiny and walls are paper thin.
    Mix this in with the bad attitude of the casino employees and it is questionable how much they will be able to upgrade the place.
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
  12. bjpcyclone

    bjpcyclone High-Roller

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2013
    Messages:
    933
    Location:
    NE Oklahoma
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    15
    Agreed but that's much easier to do with 188 rooms at the Cromwell compared to the 3,000 MC has.

    I think the second bolded point is the bigger issue. We used to be Monte Carlo regulars but the staff from dealers to pit bosses seemed to absolutely hate their lives and it shows to customers.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. ams722

    ams722 Side Bet Shunner

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2012
    Messages:
    1,835
    Location:
    Pergatory
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    15
    Monte Carlo has a couple of really friendly dealers... but yeah, many of them are just completely miserable. I've been there countless times and they're often bickering with each other over who gets to go on break when.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  14. JeJas

    JeJas VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2014
    Messages:
    3,142
    Location:
    NY
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    0
    They not only hate their own lives, they hate the customers even more! Worst on the Strip.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  15. Nittany1

    Nittany1 VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2009
    Messages:
    2,590
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    88
    The negative,unfriendly,culture at MC must go right to the top casino management there.
    It is widespread around the casino floor with a few exceptions.
    No way it would be tolerated at Bellagio,,MGM,or Aria.
    If they don't gut casino management with the building they will lose their investment.
     
  16. FYMYAWF

    FYMYAWF It's not a bender, it's a lifestyle.

    Joined:
    May 8, 2016
    Messages:
    1,084
    Location:
    San Francisco, CA
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    32
    I think they rushed the Park into opening. TMobile was ready to open but the Park was seemingly pushed to open before it was ready, it's even now a LONG way away from being the Linq. The same 4 restos/bars that opened the place are still the only ones open. There's still NOTHING on the Monte Carlo side. Surely the theater, when it opens, will help, but it's weird walking through the Park, you get through those few places and it's like "whelp, guess that's it, I'm outta here".
     
  17. bshowell

    bshowell VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2004
    Messages:
    3,116
    Location:
    DMV
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    11
    Exactly this. We walked through The Park our last trip and pretty much that's what happened. Nothing to do or see there, really.
     
  18. bedaniels

    bedaniels High-Roller

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2009
    Messages:
    536
    Location:
    Ohio
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    30
    Just got back from Vegas grabbed these photos detailing the death of the MC pool from Aria tram station. Can still see the remnants of the lazy river and wave pool.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  19. FullPay

    FullPay When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2008
    Messages:
    2,814
    Location:
    Derby City, Kentucky
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    110
    I've been Downtown for a while now but I remember the MC pool area being one of the few things I liked about the property. Are we too cool for a lazy river? Shall we put in three hundred glass front hot tubs with private cabanas so we can all see how much money we spent?
     
    Laughlin! I
    • Like Like x 1
  20. Hyperfocal

    Hyperfocal VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2009
    Messages:
    1,076
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    18
    Surprised they are tearing up the lazy river after keeping it around for a couple months demolition. Originally, it looked like they were keeping it. Even the week before last, it was untouched and roped off.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.