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mLife - Comps, Slot Tournaments, And Non-Vegas Casinos

Discussion in 'Comps' started by tk421sw, Sep 10, 2021.

  1. tk421sw

    tk421sw Newbie

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    hey all,

    went to vegas earlier this summer for the first time in years, and actually put in a lot of money into the slots (at least for me). nothing too crazy compared to some here, but it did get me some minor backend comps, which was a first for me; i'm pretty new to this world, so I ended up doing a bit of research to try to understand it all, so bear with me if the below seems wordy.

    after doing research and looking at my mlife account, i found that I did ~$7500 coin in over 3 days, which doesn't seem like much compared to others here. I also stayed at ParkMGM and charged all mlife activity to the room. Rough math (90% RTP, 30% of ADT for comps) says they would comp me around ~225, which is actually what they gave me more or less. I don't have the exact breakdown, but a huge chunk of that (4k+ I think) was on one of the days. I also did no table games this trip.

    now that its been a 2 +months I got offers from Vegas properties with FP and RC (in general 4 days 100FP/100RC for lower end with resort fees comped for most, 3 days 100FP/50RC but resort fees not comped for Aria/Vdara/Bellagio). I also have some from non-Vegas properties as well (just hotel room) that I got relatively fast (The Vegas offers didn't come in till the month after next as my trip was toward the end of the month).

    i also earlier this week got an email from ParkMGM inviting me to a slot tournament in November, with $300 FP as the minimum prize. The email says the entry is comped, and in the link to the page says the accommodations are comped as well.

    Now with all that out of the way, here are my questions:
    • It seems the Vegas comp offers are crazy high compared to my level of play compared what others have mentioned here. Are these just teaser/starter offers? Or maybe they saw the one higher day of coin-in?
    • If I accepted and went to the slot tournament, staying at the ParkMGM, but I do not play at the same level (or heck no-play, though I can't see myself doing that), will it affect the Vegas comp offers? I get the feeling it does
      • Related to the above, would my spend affect my ability to get the FP via the offers, especially if the trip were already booked beforehand?
    • When does one get the FP from the slot tournament? Could one have their FP revoked if they did not play much (or no-play) and just did the slot tournament?
    • If I took advantage of the comp offers at the non-vegas properties, would it affect future offers from Vegas and my ability to get the FP/RC? It looks like it shouldn't from what I saw.
    • Assuming I don't generate any gaming activity for the next few months, how long would those comp offers stick around?
    Honestly I don't seem myself keeping up this level of play long-term, so I do expect the offers to disappear at some point, but I would like to make the most of it while I can. (I'll just use myvegas after I inevitably lose my comps).

    thanks all!
     
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  2. Marky147

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    Welcome to the board :)

    My level of play is about the same as yours, and my offers are exactly the same as yours currently.

    They were higher (200/200 & 200/100) and 4 nights everywhere at the start of the year, though.

    I usually do at least a week per property, so my coin in is ~$2.5k per day x7.

    Just book a bunch of rooms up for trips you plan to take, and then just enjoy your trips. No point worrying about how long they last, just enjoy your trips, and enjoy the comps while they're there.
     
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  3. Marky147

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    Sorry I can't answer the other stuff, as I'm not really sure of the answers.

    I only play ~$1-2 a spin, so I usually spend a lot of the day playing when I do, and not sure how/if that plays into my offers.
     
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    Interesting, I would guess they were higher because of the Covid situation earlier this year, but now that things are semi-better the offers have dropped. I guess I shouldn't wait too long to take advantage of them then.

    As for my play I also mainly did 1-2.50/spin though I went higher, and at one point I did $5 & $25 3-reels for a short while (went from $100 -> $450 ->$ 0 in less than 15 minutes; should have cashed out at a stop-loss, but I was semi-tilted that night)

    and thanks for the welcome!
     
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  5. Brandt

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    I would book out as many stays as you want right now. If you don't keep up the same play your future offers would go down. One option to think about if you want to keep your ADT up is to stay shorter stays - 1-2 nights. If you can't budget 3 nights of gambling. I don't see a slot tournament being calculated into anything. But just my hunch.
     
  6. Chuck2009x

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    I'd say your basic offer is generous for a $2,500/day coin-in average, so it does feel like a teaser, @Marky147 has a longer history and he says it's in line with how he plays and what he gets, but he also says his usual stay is 7 nights or so, which means he's doing more total coin-in.

    No-playing or severely underplaying should definitely affect your future offers. As far as FP, obviously you would still get the FP during the no-play trip, but their offers specifically state that FP on future bookings under the same offer is contingent on play. So they reserve the right to deny it to you if you totally stiff them.

    From what you said, the FP you're referring to is a minimum prize of the slot tourney. If you play the slot tourney, you should get it awarded at the end of the tourney and it wouldn't be contingent on playing while you were there. But you probably would also have to use it on that stay (or within a short timeframe), I don't think you would be able to bank it for a future trip.


    Can't answer, I don't know how play and offers at regionals tie together within MLife.

    It kind of looks to me like:
    • Your play anywhere is valued equally everywhere in terms of total comp value, but:
      • Hotel rooms can be more expensive at the regionals so you may not be able to get as many nights comped as in Vegas. The Vegas properties are much larger and have a lot more room types with different price points.
      • I've only ever played in Vegas. I've never gotten real offers with freeplay & resort credit at any of the regionals except Borgata (I made reservations there last fall and cancelled, but now I get junket offers). If I check any of them, I can usually get some comped nights, but it's not as predictable as Vegas

    Not 100% sure, but I would expect you to get the same offer until you do something (ie. a trip) that would change the terms. Not for an unlimited amount of time, but probably at least a year. Subject to adjustments in their overall marketing strategy and market conditions.
     
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  7. tk421sw

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    Thanks for your insights. Being that I don't plan to honestly gamble on a regular basis to keep up that level of offers and since I want to move around more casinos in the future, barring my financial situation changing drastically I will consider going to a slot tournament like accepting a comp offer, so I should be careful about going to one. That being said I wouldn't mind going to one just for the experience but the timing of the remaining ones this year aren't the best for me so I wouldn't be able to make the most of it. Maybe if the invitations still come in next year I'll go, but I'm probably going to go with regular comp offers due to flexibility, and if I lose FP/RC and tournament offers due to my level of play so be it. If I still get invitations after I use my comp offer, I'll def go to one for the experience.

    On a side one I did just get another one for ones coming up in October (Luxor / Excalibur). Looks like they're maybe still looking for people to take them up. I may have gone to it because of the shorter time period but alas the timing doesn't work out for me.
     
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    It is basically the same thing, if you're getting comped room nights. The "free" entry to the slot tourney is basically a substitute for FP & RC, because you're usually guaranteed some amount of FP as a prize, and depending on how the tournament is structured, the expected value of the entry is going to be higher than the minimum FP prize.

    In other words, the minimum and most common FP prize might be $50, but if you take the entire prize pool and average it across all players, it could be $100 or more, and that could be what they use to figure the total value of the offer.
     
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  9. ATLMM

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    While I can't answer this for sure, I do know that your play in Vegas will unlock comped rooms at all of the other properties. But the free play and resort credit don't start until after you have made at least one visit there.

    I've only played at Borgata and Beau Rivage before. Borgata was always a separate players accounting system until only recently, so that one cant really be used as a historical benchmark.

    As for Beau Rivage, I was only there once many years ago and started receiving offers after that, and my play in Vegas has impacted my offers there. So I don't know if the reverse is true as well.