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Table Games Mississippi Stud vs. UTH

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by topcard, Jul 24, 2020.

  1. topcard

    topcard Celebrating 40 Years of Vegas Trips in 2020!

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    I've been playing around with the game simulators on the Wizard's site, and over the last few weeks, I have consistently won more playing Miss. Stud than with UTH (I allow myself $200 for MS & $300 for UTH). I play to double my "buy in".

    I bet $5 ante on MS and $10 ante-blind (+$5 Trips) for UTH.

    I haven't run the math, but I was certainly under the impression that UTH had a far lower 'element of risk' than MS.

    I'm wondering what y'alls experience has been in actually playing Mississippi Stud... perhaps the Wizard's simulator has just been overly generous with me!

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  2. rhinoman7

    rhinoman7 Whale-wannabe

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    My answer is not going to be based on math, but on my own experiences with both games. I feel there are two main things that make MS better than UTH:

    1. You are NOT playing against the dealer, so if you have a paying hand, you are going to get paid.
    2. You have the ability to 3x your bet, which can be powerful at times. If you are dealt a paying pair, essentially you are able to 9x your bet. Not only that, but a paying pair in your hand can also turn into a better hand (2 pair, trips, quads, etc.) For example(based on your bets mention above), quads in UTH pays 30-1 on Trips, so that would be $150 and 10-1 on the Blind, which would be $100, for a total of $250. In MS, assuming you start with a paying pair in your hand that turns into quads (has happened to me 4 times so far), that is a payout of $2,000 (pays 40-1) ($5 ante, 3x on each of the three bets, for a total bet of $50).

    I like both games, but I tend to get more upset with UTH when I get good hands that end up getting beat by the dealer. Don't get me wrong, MS can eat away your bankroll just as fast as UTH at times, but I can't tell you how many times I have played MS for a long time, being down a lot of money, and then one really good hand gets me right back to even.

    About the only time I play UTH now is when the MS table is full, and I am waiting for a spot to open up.
     
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  3. buckeyetodd

    buckeyetodd High-Roller

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    Here’s my experience, MS sucks. I’ve never had a winning session but I continue to play occasionally because my main gambling partner loves the game and usually does well.

    I’ve had mixed experiences with UTH.

    If I had a choice, I’d play UTH over MS 100% of the time.

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  4. jon_vegas

    jon_vegas High-Roller

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    From my experience, you get less winning hands with MS but if you do get one, they usually are big. You only get 5 cards to get a hand in MS but 7 cards in UTH - but you do have to beat the dealer in UTH though. I think MS requires a bigger bank roll and more discipline to fold crap cards to last long enough to get a winner. When you 3 bet in MS, you probably already have a push or a winner. In UTH, you still need to beat the dealer. You get more winners in UTH but bigger ones in MS.
     
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    ReTriggerMe Low-Roller

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    I don't know what UTH is. I was at a CA casino when MS Stud was brand new. So new that the shufflemaster rep was at the table... so I got a couple of Mississippi Stud caps. I like wearing it to play.

    I think its fun. But I put it in the category of carnival game. Some luck, you can do really well. But overall, it's bad odds - a sucker game even. So for me, it's a quick visit, usually a social table. But not high on my list of what I want to play in a casino.
     
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    WiBadgerbacker Low-Roller

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    As streaky as UTH can be, MSSeems to be more so. As jon_vegas said, you seem to get more winning hands at UTH, but bigger wins at MS.
     
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    Easy to settle. Sit at either a UTH or MS table. Before you place a bet, look left, then look right. In either direction there will be a 3:2 Blackjack table. Move yourself and your checks and have a seat.
     
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  8. buckeyetodd

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    While I agree with you 100%, if you are a $25 player, you have to grind out a pretty great session to win $1000 ( just a random number). As a basic strategy player, this has only happened once for me in 40+ trips to Vegas. On the other hand, one huge hand at either of these other games can get you $1000. The problem is you might have hundreds of losing sessions before hitting that one big hand.
     
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    Exactly correct. And when you look at it like that I guess the question becomes are you looking for the possibility of a bust or jackpot mission, or are you looking to grind out a win. I don’t think either one of these options is better than the other! LOL! Both options have the benefits and pitfalls.
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  10. topcard

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    Here's the thing - if I'm dealt total garbage in UTH, and it stays garbage, even after the river, I lose $25.
    If I'm dealt garbage in MS, I fold and lose $5.

    With UTH, I can beat the dealer's A-2 with a crappy hand like 3-3, and a board of, say 7-J-9-4-2. I still net-win $15.
    If I 3x bet my 3-3 in MS (3rd street), and don't make a hand, I net lose $5+$15+$5+$5 = $30 loss.

    With MS, if (at any point) I have a pair of 6s or better, I can 3x bet my ante (up to 3 times), with zero risk of loss.
    With UTH, I can (and do) often 4x my ante and lose the hand.

    The "math" clearly favors UTH over MS, but my 'simulator' experience (so far) favors MS...

    I guess I'll just have to go to Vegas and test this under real conditions! :cool:
     
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    ] ...and in MS, THIS can happen (as it just now did on the simulator):
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    That same hand in UTH would have been a bet of $65 for a net-win of only $120. ($10 ante, $40 'Play', $30 'Blind' & $40 Trips)...a little less than 2x my wager...
    MS win was 10x my wager.
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    I love MS at $5, but at $10 or $15 it can get expensive and scary. It's a much more exciting game than UTH. And if youre having a good night the payoffs are remarkable. In AC in a $10 hand I bought in with $100 got dealt KK and got 3 of a kind to start, within 5 hands I won over $800 and got up, it can happen that quick in that game. The pics are from Laughlin a little while back, $5 bet.

    For $10 or $15 I'll sit at UTH. I don't play trips once I start playing $10 and higher. You only miss out on 3 of a kind but the Blind picks you up on the big hands. I play the game A LOT, and I keep track of the trips bet and 90% of the time I come out ahead by not betting it. My wife drives me crazy as she bets it and is out of the game sooner than me 90% of the time, go figure.
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    That is a good simulator, and the basic strategy that it teaches you is really good.
     
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    Karma is mean spirited

    Last night me and my brother went to Hollywood Columbus. There were almost no seats available since there are only three people at each table. We did find one seat available at side by side tables. One was a UTH table, the other MS.

    He likes MS, I will tolerate UTH.

    I bought in for $400, was mostly playing 10/10/10, had a couple 15s on trips, and proceeded to lose 9 straight hands and all $400.

    My brother bought in for $300, was playing $10, lost his entire buy in within about 2 minutes of me losing mine. He never won a hand but did get two pushes.

    After we both got up and wandered around, we found two seats at a $25 3/2 BJ game. I was playing anywhere from $25-50 each hand with most hands between 25-50. I won $330 in about an hour, my brother about $400.

    Lesson learned

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    MS Stud variance is MUCH higher. That's why this game can have more than double the house edge than UTH at the same ante amount and players still don't mind. They are thinking about that quad 6s+ (1 in 6016) that can net them $2000 on a $5 ante game. I don't play the game in the casinos, but I have walked by a table and saw someone get it before.