MGM offers after winning trips?

[ss20]

Hi all, I hear some casinos reduce offers after winning trips. I am wondering if that is the case with MGM. I am a micro-to-low roller and won roughly $300 on $6k of coin-in last trip and $400 of win on $3k of coin-in the trip before that (short trip, underplayed compared to norm). I'm Pearl, and play 70% VP, 30% slots, getting $15fp/$50rc/midweek comp rooms at all but the top properties. Is MGM known to cut back on offers after a winning trip(s)?

 

[jacmrose]

They don't care about your actual win/loss they care about your theoretical loss. The only time it matters is they may give you more on the backend if you really got your butt kicked

 

[JackieTreehorn]

My offers dropped after six trips where I either broke even or won. I was up around $4k on the year at that time. My play didn’t change during this time. After two losing trips, my offers were back to normal.

 

[drfaust]

My offers don’t ever change depending on whether I win or lost, just my theo.

 

[Chippewagambler]

Mgm will cut off offers for playing certain games and winning.

 

[Shmiler]

61k up with MGM in 2025. Only had 1 losing trip there. Offers have steadily increased. All on slots.

 

[AC_regular]

So it seems like the word recently has been that MGM has started to consider actual W/L in addition to just theoretical W/L. But I suspect this is also dependent on how long a history you have with them. If you have a long history where you lost money with lots of theo, there's no reason for them to ding you for some recent good luck.

Another possibility is that the anecdotal evidence is based on correlation not causation, with people on winning trips actually betting less theo than they realize or normally would.

 

[Chuck2009x]

I've never seen good evidence, except that they have cut some people off entirely due to certain play habits.

I've had a handful of winning trips at MGM and CET, some in the high 4 figures and I've never seen my offers change afterwards.

Part of the problem with being able to tell is that nobody wins consistently.

I don't think you have much to worry about with winning $300 and $400 on back-to-back trips. Or with winning a decent amount on a single trip.

Now, string ten of those back-to-back and it might be different. Or if you're a big $$$ tables player who walks away up frequently.

The only place I've ever stayed/played where winning definitely tanked my offers was Treasure Island. So I never went back there.

 

[huskermike]

I've never seen good evidence, except that they have cut some people off entirely due to certain play habits.

I've had a handful of winning trips at MGM and CET, some in the high 4 figures and I've never seen my offers change afterwards.

Part of the problem with being able to tell is that nobody wins consistently.

I don't think you have much to worry about with winning $300 and $400 on back-to-back trips.

Now, string ten of those back-to-back and it might be different. Or if you're a big $$$ tables player who walks away up frequently.

The only place I've ever stayed/played where winning definitely tanked my offers was Treasure Island. So I never went back there.

I’ve had the same experience. I was up 5 figures for like a year on MGM when I first returned in 2021 after being a CP guy for several years and my offers kept increasing. The only evidence I’ve seen of reduced offer which I’ve been getting recently is lowered play on double dipping 2 offers on every trip which has coincided with less theo on average per trip. I also got switched to the quarterly offers in January. I’ve definitely been overcomped on both theo and actual loss for well over a year.

 

[pta210]

Another possibility is that the anecdotal evidence is based on correlation not causation, with people on winning trips actually betting less theo than they realize or normally would.

I suspect this is it.

I'm an 80%+ VP player. I'll have my daily & trip bankroll, as well as point targets, and on the vast majority of days I either run out of daily budget or more often, hit my point target (pretty late in the evening) and call it a night. However on trips when I've hit a Royal, I tend to become preoccupied with protecting my win, which very commonly means stopping short of my point target for at least that day, if not the rest of the trip. I can't imagine my behavior is particularly uncommon - trying to secure a winning trip after a big win.

Winning isn't why offers go down after doing that.

 

[don1701]

Mgm will cut off offers for playing certain games and winning.

Don't you hate on CVP

 

[don1701]

So it seems like the word recently has been that MGM has started to consider actual W/L in addition to just theoretical W/L. But I suspect this is also dependent on how long a history you have with them. If you have a long history where you lost money with lots of theo, there's no reason for them to ding you for some recent good luck.

Another possibility is that the anecdotal evidence is based on correlation not causation, with people on winning trips actually betting less theo than they realize or normally would.

I "smell" something similar. Had pretty good "low losing" trips with huge coin in the last two years with MGM.
But if they actually made such a change they fucked it up royally, almost CET-style.

They now give me 300 or so less in free play, but I get rooms that are worth thousands a night. Think no more Bellagio Spa suite but MGM Marquis suite.. maybe they hired an Idiot from McKinsey?

 

[Nori Player]

Not the same as the corp offer engine but from MGM I've had special host offers after unusually bad loss trips. Extra slot FP and table FP chips. I've never been offered such things after a winning trip or a 'typical' type loss.

 

[fenway68]

I ran close to 30k through on VP (7/5 $1 BP) last trip, I finished up about $600; I just checked, my offers have never been this good, 4 nights (Sun-Friday) $170 FP and $150 "resort credit": if I stay in Reserve, Park, MGM, EXC, NYNY etc its $300...

 

[redpanda777]

So it seems like the word recently has been that MGM has started to consider actual W/L in addition to just theoretical W/L. But I suspect this is also dependent on how long a history you have with them. If you have a long history where you lost money with lots of theo, there's no reason for them to ding you for some recent good luck.

Another possibility is that the anecdotal evidence is based on correlation not causation, with people on winning trips actually betting less theo than they realize or normally would.

This sounds more likely, as I have *invested* heavily in my current offer tier. Hehe

 

[ATLMM]

The only 2 times I had significant wins my offers actually went UP after, and by quite a bit (including my last trip where I even took 5k of my win in a check). But that was because I took my winnings and started pressing harder with my play so my theo went up as well.
People who have said they've seen their offers drop after a winning trip might be doing the opposite, going lighter to not lose their wins at the end. Without looking at the overall theo compared to their historical average there really is no way to tell by total win/loss alone.