1. Welcome to VegasMessageBoard
    It appears you are visiting our community as a guest.
    In order to view full-size images, participate in discussions, vote in polls, etc, you will need to Log in or Register.

M Life Slots - Coin in vs Points

Discussion in 'Comps' started by gpburdell, Jun 2, 2017.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. gpburdell

    gpburdell Low-Roller

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2012
    Messages:
    113
    Location:
    ATL
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    25
    I was under the impression that when you play slots that coin in is what matters when it comes to theoretical loss which determines what kind of offers you'll get.

    After reading some posts here, I'm not sure if it's actually slot points that matter more. I primarily play at M Life properties and I believe you earn more slot points per dollar when you play non specialty games. I can't find anymore the M Life page that explained this, but I think it said almost 3 times as much.

    I know the points can be turned into free play, but I don't care about that as much as I do the actual offer. I don't gamble enough to get a host, but enough that I usually get marketing offers for 2-3 comp nights at Aria with some free play and resort credit.

    Two questions:
    1) For the same amount of coin in, should I get better offers playing exclusively non specialty vs specialty slots?
    2) Does this affect how much you earn in express comps or back end comps?

    thx
     
  2. Chuck2009x

    Chuck2009x VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2009
    Messages:
    9,582
    Location:
    Boston
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    24
    Theoretical loss determines what kind of offers you'll get.

    One person runs $10,000 through a penny machine and the other through a $1 machine.
    If the penny machine has a 15% theoretical hold and the $1 machine has a 8% theoretical hold, the penny player generated $1,500 in theo and the $1 player generated $800. The penny player is going to get better offers.

    I believe you are correct that specialty slots earn points, tier credits, Express Comps and Pointplay at the same rate as video poker.

    Non-specialty: for every $3 coin in - 1 point, 10 tier credits, $0.01 Express Comps, $0.01 PointPlay. If you are at higher tiers, you get a $0.001 bonus on the ECs and Point Play for each tier level.

    Specialty slots and Video Poker, it's $10 coin in instead of 3.

    However, while you get less in base points, tier credits, Express Comps, and PointPlay from specialty slots, theo is theo.

    If you generate $1,500 theo on a specialty slot, that's just as good as $1,500 on a non-specialty slot. Some people might say it's a little less equal because the casino is paying higher fees to the slot maker or whoever, but the difference shouldn't be much - the casino gets that difference by not giving you as much in TCs, ECs and PointPlay.

    If two players run the same amount of coin in through a non-specialty machine and a specialty machine, and both are set for the same payback %, they should basically both get the same offer. And specialty vs non-specialty shouldn't make a difference back end either.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  3. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

    Joined:
    May 4, 2009
    Messages:
    18,419
    Location:
    TN
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    25
    I don't know how much they track theo per machine. Per every single machine? Per types of machine? Per denom?

    Even if they do, in general, total coin in will be the big factor. I try to stay away from speciality because I know they are "tighter". Might play a little for the enjoyment... but no longer sessions.
     
  4. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2013
    Messages:
    21,866
    Location:
    Chicagoland
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    22
    For slots it's usually by individual machine as theo is determined by the game settings. But if the machine has multiple games on it (very common with video poker), then many casinos still have to do a weighted average for the machine's theoretical loss because their tracking systems aren't advanced enough (i.e. too old) to track the theo of the exact game variant you're playing. One known exception to this is Cosmopolitan.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  5. gpburdell

    gpburdell Low-Roller

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2012
    Messages:
    113
    Location:
    ATL
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    25
    Thanks for the info. Glad to hear that playing specialty slots wouldn't affect my offers. I enjoy the specialty slots alot more. The only non specialty slot I don't mind are the Zeus machines. I don't know why M Life even makes the distinction between the slot machines. I don't think any of the other strip casinos make a distinction.
     
  6. Chuck2009x

    Chuck2009x VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2009
    Messages:
    9,582
    Location:
    Boston
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    24
    They should LOVE specialty slot players, a specialty slot player is generating about 5 - 6 times the theo of a VP player, while only getting the same amount of Express Comps and Point Play as a VP player. Which is 1/3rd the amount a regular slot player is getting.

    There's no reason to feel bad about it, it's a difference of 4 cents per $10 coin in. $20 a day if you do $5,000 coin in.
     
  7. Auggie

    Auggie Dovahkiin

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2009
    Messages:
    5,819
    Location:
    Burnaby, BC
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    17
    Don't worry about the points.

    You should play the games you want, the ones that interest you and have a good time.

    If you give them enough play you will get offers, if you don't then you won't get offers - the system isn't so super sensitive that a couple of hundred points here or there are going to matter.

    You should be giving the bulk of your play to the casino where you want to stay. Even though they are all under the same slot program if you casino hop you "water down" your play at all their properties.

    You should be realistic too: if you are mainly a penny slot player with a $200 a day budget then playing at Bellagio or Mirage isn't going to do anything. You would be better off playing at MGM Grand,Excalibur, Luxor and maybe NYNY.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.