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Low/No-Play Comp Cosmo

Discussion in 'Comps' started by tscradj, Jun 20, 2017.

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  1. tscradj

    tscradj Tourist

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    Does anyone have any experience no/low playing a marketing offer comp at the cosmo? I've got 4 nights, 150 in identity play, and 50 dining credit.

    Honestly my last trip I got really lucky so my coin in was probably way higher than it should have been for my bankroll. I'm sure I just barely eeked in enough play to earn those levels of comps.

    That being said, I found insanely cheap flights this weekend and am interested in heading out to play some poker. Problem is, rooms are crazy expensive. I want to use my Comso offer, but because this trip is mainly poker I won't have enough time (hopefully) or money (hopefully not) to get much gambling done at the cosmo.

    If I no play or play less than $1000 total for the whole trip (3 days) will I get blacklisted or will I just not have any offers until I play again?
     
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  2. vetsen

    vetsen Low-Roller

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    It's like taking a zero. Your offers will go down significantly.
     
  3. offshorecca

    offshorecca Low-Roller

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    use it or lose it, go have fun
     
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  4. kathiemc23

    kathiemc23 Low-Roller

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    I had an offer for 4 free nights and $135 freeplay. I used the offer and played like I normally do, probably about the same bankroll you listed above. I now get free room offers and no freeplay. Not really that bad since the rooms are so great. Hope that helps.
     
  5. Multifarious5

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    I'd personally be leery of low playing cosmo, but we're really protective of our comps there.

    Like you, I probably squeek by on comps at Cosmo.

    On our last trip I played slightly less (slightly). I always had emails from them every 2-3 weeks, then nothing for 2 months after that trip, which freaked me.

    I DID just get a 4 night offer, so I was thrilled, but that's not a property I like to play Russian Roulette with. On mlif or CET, if I lose a direct offer, I can book a mid tier hotel and get back in the running...you don't have that option with Cosmo.

    You MIGHT check the CET calendar...not offers, but the calendar. We never play there but always have free rooms on the calendar. If you're going to low play, I'd rather do it at a property you're OK risking...but again, we love Cosmo, so we are cautious.

    Whatever you decide, have a blast, and I hope you do great at poker!
     
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    nfajgmbr03 MIA

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    Go have fun. You only live once and there are plenty of other properties to go to.
     
  7. notfromconcentrate

    notfromconcentrate Connoisseur of dive casinos and obnoxious outfits

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    I'd caution you against low-playing, and especially no-playing them. From what I understand, many comp offers do have fine print that requires "similar play" to what you've exhibited before at that property. So, despite ruining your reputation with them, you could end up getting charged for the room anyway. Be careful!
     
  8. DaiLun

    DaiLun R.C., L.C., and A.A.N.G.

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    OK, so, like my co-worker, who got some really nice "teaser offers" from the Wynn, but was afraid that she couldn't "play" to them.

    I told her, play your normal budget, and if it's not good enough, they will gradually decrease your offers. (which they did after 2 low play trips), but DON'T TRY TO PLAY TO THE COMP LEVEL IF IT'S NOT IN YOUR WHEELHOUSE.

    However, "no playing" will quickly put you on a casino's s**t list.
     
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  9. NickG

    NickG Low-Roller

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    How much play in terms of coin-in or tier points per day do you need to get these sort of offers from Cosmo?
     
  10. Chuck2009x

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    Last-second flight to go play poker for 3 days, I'd be inclined to just slum it instead of using the Cosmo offer.
     
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  11. Grid

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    While true about fine print, it is usually something like "Offer based on previous (or expected) play" I have never once heard of anyone getting their corporate offer yanked due to no/low playing. Their future offers will obviously turn to shit, but I have never heard of anyone being charged the full rack rate at the end of their stay when they didn't live up to standards on their up front corporate comp.

    Now finding a host, lying about your play, and getting an up front comp THEN burning them can lead to them trying to bill you. But not on a corporate offer. From my understanding, the wording on your offers are to either scare you into playing at the level that triggered the offer. Or as an out if they sent you an offer by mistake, which happens.

    OP, if you over kicked your coverage the last time, which triggered this offer, chances are you wont play up to the same level to keep it anyway. So its either use it now, and watch the future offers decrease. Or use it later and watch future offers decrease anyway.

    If you got a teaser based on prior play, it is your offer. I'd take it and have fun!
     
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    There is no Blacklist for this sort of thing. The Cosmo wont call Bellagio and have them look out for you trying to scam. And they wont escort you off property the next time you visit. Your offers will just fall off.

    If you plan on no playing them, you probably wont get any offers in the future. If you just low play them, your future offers will just decrease to your new average.

    In other words, if you got these offers by going on a heater the last time, and you drove $10K through the slots each day for 2 days. Your average is $10K a day to them, and this is a fair offer. You come back for 3 more days and play just $6K of coin over all 3 days. You just hurt your theo, and now your coin in is down to $5K per day ($20K over 2 days the 1st time and $6K over 3 now, $26K coin DIV 5 days).

    You will now be rated as a $5K per day player, with an ADT half of what it was before, and your future offers might still be a free room, just weekdays. And no free play. Obviously I do not know your exact math, but I hope you see what I am saying about low playing.

    Now if you walk in, register 3 full days of zero play on that offer. That should trigger an algorithm to stop all future offers immediately. They have ways to stop people from completely taking advantage.

    So even a full day of no play, plus play over 2 days is not going to get you in trouble. People get sick, people go out to the Grand Canyon, people spend a day at the pool. There is plenty of reasons why you wouldn't have play 1 day out of 3. And that is why most places look at "trips" and not days now. But zero + zero + zero = no excuse to bitch about future comps.

    Play a little, enjoy the spoils of your last trip (the comp room + extras) but give them some action, even if its just a little. If you only have $1K to play with over 3 days on their machines, try to play something that will give you some more coin-in. An older mechanical dollar slot, of a 5 line quarter game. You can grind though coin on those.

    Stay away from max bet new themed penny games. You budget wont get you very many points, and your theo will take a bigger punch.
     
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  13. Vegas55

    Vegas55 Low-Roller

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    Now finding a host, lying about your play, and getting an up front comp THEN burning them can lead to them trying to bill you.

    Now days the host just asks for your players card# from the property or properties you've been playing at to verify your play and then makes an offer based on that information. If you have no play history and lie then you most likely will have an issue as Grid mentions.
     
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    I agree with everything Grid said, I'm just thinking your trip sounds like a hastily arranged poker degen weekend, so I'd save the Cosmo comp for some time you can relax and really enjoy it.
     
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    1497496419_641701.jpg Do it but just play what you can afford to play I'll attack a picture of my view. I just got back from staying there , I recived an offer after only playing 500 points : Receive two complimentary nights when you stay Sunday - Thursday or $200 Resort Credit per night when you book Friday & Saturday. I chose the free nights inluding the resort fees. For 175.00 a night I upgraded to the Terrence suite 910 sft room room with 110sft balcony facing the fountain. I started my play on slots and lost big time , I played about 3600 points moving me to the next tier level. I went to a host to see if she could remove my upgrade charges and she said I played only enough to cover my comp nights and she couldn't do anything else for me. Now compare this to my normal comps at Mirage, I had 3 nights free during EDC weekend which is very expensive and I got my friends another queen room, at 700.00 for the 3 nights during the same weekend. I played about 5100 points and got all my resort fees off for my room , and he took off the two most expensive nights rate and fees leaving the bill to be 110, for Sunday night. IMG_6473.JPG
     
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    I used a comp offer in Feb at Cosmo. I emailed my host beforehand and let her know that my gambling budget for this trip was going to be way less than normal. She thanked me and said very few people did this, and it wouldn't be a problem. And it wasn't. I actually won, so I played like I normally would have anyway. Enough to get two rooms comped on NYE. My host at Cosmo rocks!
     
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    My mom and I are staying on a comp at Cosmo in August. She worries every year about low-playing them and that this will making her offers decrease. And, every year, they increase her offers.

    I personally wouldn't no-play on a comp but if you're regular gambling budget is considered low-play on a teaser comp, then the comps would have dried up eventually anyway.

    Play what you like at a level you can afford and don't worry about meeting their comp requirements.
     
  18. Geogran

    Geogran Whooo. Whooo.

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    Hope I'm not straying too far from this low play/Cosmo thread and don't want to hijack the OP, but wondering if the same loss or reduction in offers and FP would apply if I walked into Cosmo and used my FP from a current comp offer applied without a Cosmo stay?
    For example, staying elsewhere, but considering dropping in at Cosmo for a couple of hours to have my $225 FP offer downloaded and after using it playing $500-600 of my own money and then leaving - how severe might the penalty be on future offers for a comp'd stay? I wouldn't mind losing future FP and Dining but would hate to lose the room comp. (if it helps - gold level with regular comp offers room/FP/small up front Dining. We have been assigned a host and apparently run enough coin thru on slots to get our meals comp'd on the back end when we stay there (although not huge spenders on food, probably in the $500-600 range over 3 nights). I haven't tried to figure out the Identity program and just go with whatever comes my way.

    TIA for your thoughts on whether this is a bad idea and to the OP @tscradj - this is a helpful thread and hope you don't mind my somewhat similar question as long as the experts are already here assisting.... :).
     
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    Look at the math that I laid out for OP. If you normally stay at Cosmo, put in 10 hours a day on the machines. Average $15K per day (or whatever) that is your rating. They will see you play penny slots, assume your losses are 10% (90% payback) and figure your average daily theoretical loss would be $1500. This is what the casino expects to gain from you by being on property.

    Of that they usually give you back a third in comps. $500. If the room they gave you for free is worth $275 a night, weekday. Then you got $225 in Free Play as well.

    That is why you get what you get. It is based on your past play, as they bet on you doing the same in the future. They will give you $500 in tokes in order to get another $1500 in expected losses from you.

    Now you drop in, play for an hour, use the free play and your card. And you only cycle through $1,500 on the machines. Your ADT just took a huge shit and your future offer will tank. BUT if your current offers are based on 5 trips there a year. Each trip being 3 nights. That is 15 days rating $15K of coin-in, on average, each day. One low playing day would just be a tiny ripple in your average. BUT if you stayed just once, for 2 nights, your average would go from $15K a day + $15K the next = $15K a day player (drawing $500 in future comps) to $15K + $15K + $1500 = $10,500 per day player (drawing $350 in future comps) .

    Your average is now 50% less and your future offers will follow.
     
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  20. Nevyn

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    It comes down to how long you want the relationship with Cosmo to be.

    And what you think your offers will level off to after normal play trips.

    If you want to keep going back and thing you'll stay at least comped with normal coin in, save it.

    But if there is a decent chance even your normal play won't sustain the offers, go live it up and no play em'. Plenty of other places to play who will comp you for less.
     
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