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Slots Loose slots

Discussion in 'Slots' started by 5Aces, Aug 23, 2016.

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  1. TXactuarial

    TXactuarial High-Roller

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    That makes sense - if they didn't net out winnings then they'd be giving away tons of money.

    Always check the fine print with Casino Royale though. Two years ago they had a $50 freeplay promotion for new signups. Sounded great until they tell you that they are only good on a certain bank of machines with a 95% house edge.
     
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  2. Multifarious5

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    I personally think each casino has slightly looser and tighter slots in each property, "loose" also depends on your timing of finding those machines in a looser cycle. (And even a loose machine can be tight with bad timing.)

    I also think they probably switch up the programming. A "looser" machine one trip absolutely may not be on your next trip.

    One thing I AM pondering is if they also have them set to be a little looser/tighter for times of day. I'm a night owl, and I used to love playing till 4 or 5 am. BUT Ive found that almost ALL properties seem a little tighter after 2:00 am, so I've adjusted my schedule.

    It makes sense if this is the case, things tigthening up a little during odd, late night hours. People are more liquored up and less prone to walk away on a tighter spell. The lower number of people playing odd hours also means less chance of a "lemming effect" on someone's win, where surrounding people get excited by the win, and pump more into their own machine. (Whereas during peak times, the casino loses money on the win, but the casino benefits because lots of people see the win, get excited, and pump more into other machines to chase their own win.)

    This is pure speculation, but I'm curious if anyone else has found that slots seem consistently tighter/looser at specific time?
    (Geogran, my other off-schedule player, have you found any times that seem slightly tighter consistently?)

    P.S. I know the machines are random, but they just have to conform to payout percentages, not necessarily when (time of day) they payout.

    I remember reading something where slot manufacturers can let the buyer (casino) determine what percentage that particular machine is set to. (92%, 94%, 89%, etc.) They (casinos) cant dabble in changing code/algorithms arbitrarily, but I found it really interesting a buyer can choose a percentage setting for each specific machine, it would be pretty easy to also have the code increase probability during peak or non peak hours. But again, this is just a speculation on my end, I was just curious if anyone else (especially night owls) has found trends on timing?
     
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  3. WHU66

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    [QUOTE="Multifarious5

    It makes sense if this is the case, things tigthening up a little during odd, late night hours. People are more liquored up and less prone to walk away on a tighter spell. The lower number of people playing odd hours also means less chance of a "lemming effect" on someone's win, where surrounding people get excited by the win, and pump more into their own machine. (Whereas during peak times, the casino loses money on the win, but the casino benefits because lots of people see the win, get excited, and pump more into other machines to chase their own win.)

    This is pure speculation, but I'm curious if anyone else has found that slots seem consistently tighter/looser at specific time? QUOTE]

    Basically agree with most of this, I have always felt different times of day play 'looser' but for me the worst time is when the casino is busiest - between about 8pm and 1am. I love mornings, from about 6am to 10ish, most of the casinos are quiet and I 'appear' to have more play for my buck! I am sure a lot of this is coincidence and, as you say, some machines that I used to believe were loose suddenly aren't! If I'm not 'feeling it' on a given machine, or given Casino, I will frequently move on until I get the vibe.....seems to work generally
     
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  4. Reeder1700

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    Casino Royale has always had the most loose low roller slots for me, and by a significant margin over multiple trips. On the last trip we did at Mirage my wife would always make me walk to Casino Royale when the slots got brutal and I would win my money back and then some.

    Being small, and not spending much on upgrades may allow them to loosen the machines a bit. The big properties should take notice because, for its size, CR is very profitable.

    I am surprised CET hasn't tried to copy this concept with a property like Harrah's. A large low roller joint with cheap drinks and more fair machines would become very popular, very quickly.
     
  5. Michelle

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    I agree with Multifarious5, as a Detroit player, I've noticed, that Sat and Sun morning are the worst times to play. I attribute it to Senior busses, they come in and the casino eats up all their money. Yet I've noticed that 10 p.m.- 12 a.m., especially on a weekend night, the machines are hot. Not necessarily that you win lots of $$ but lots of bonuses and longer play time.
     
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  6. woodsie

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    Regarding the question of slot paybacks changing based on time of day or day of week, it's just a myth. Paybacks can be changed but it is not a simple process of turning a dial from a control room. They have to open up the machine and replace the EPROM chip even to do that they have to get the gaming regulators involved as far as Nevada is concerned (according to Wizard of Vegas).

    Most casinos don't publicly disclose their slot paybacks so your best bet is probably to just look at their video poker tables relative to their competition as that is the one place where you do get some transparency on the floor. If their video poker sucks, odds are good that their slots suck.

    Look at their table game rules as well for a hint. If their BJ is 6:5 even at $15 and the Craps Field bet only plays 2:1 on 12, I wouldn't hold much hope for their slots being generous to the player either.
     
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  7. slotplayer

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    Casino Royale is the place i go for loose slots
     
  8. nostresshere

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    Talk about loose slots is always interesting.

    You do realize that even if you play a 100% payback machine, you easily drop $1000 and still walk away with nothing. Right?
     
  9. BayouBengal

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    I think people confuse loose slots and variance. A machine might be looser but have high variance.
     
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  10. elaine.mcgrew

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    El Cortez downtown opened their books to show Anthony Curtis of LVA their hold on their slots, so did the old owners of the Palms. They are loose, but I've played and still lost. It's variance for sure.
     
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    Variance is part of it. Sometimes.

    Look at this example.

    Say a machine pays out $2000 when you hit Triple Sevens with a 100% payback. It pays nothing for anything else. (just to be simple here).
    It costs $3 for each spin. Lets assume it has a steady variance and not even random, again for simplicity. To pay out exactly 100%, it would have to pay once every 667 times it was played.

    So, with that said, you could put in just short of $2,000 and win nothing. Your assumption would be that machine was very, very tight and nowhere near 100% payback.

    Of course, just a few spins after you made your walk of shame, some "I never play slots" guy comes along and hits within a few spins.
     
  12. Multifarious5

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    Not if you insert a debit card, if you pay a slot via debit card I hear it bumps it to a 200% payout.

    Kidding nostress, I couldn't resist! :D
     
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  13. BayouBengal

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    I heard pulling your players card out when a bonus hits helps the payout too.
     
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    I've heard that rubbing the screen helps too!
     
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  15. nostresshere

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    There are people that are 100% positive about that.
     
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    Are you'se guys talkin to me???? :poke: :stir:

    (I'm a screen rubber, NOT a screen slapper)....


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  17. BayouBengal

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    I won that one time. So it's true. Plus just having the card in hurts you if you're already winning.

    And cashing out and putting the Tito back in makes the casino think you played more!
     
  18. crimhead

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    I sat next to an older gentleman recently who would play a couple of hands of spin poker, then cash out and move to the next machine. He kept going around and around between about 4 machines. I figured he was trying to gamble and get some exercise at the same time...;)
     
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    not cet properties not the palms, ive found the hl room at mgm and bellagio too be really good .
    i found wynn too be tight
    no really impress at hardrock

    v/p is hit or miss
     
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    I agree with others that I find my night slot play when the casino is hopping is always when I get killed and the morning is when I do my best when it is quet. But hey, i know that isnt possible but several of us notice it! haha.
     
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