Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Casino Hotels' started by Roccoscollar, Dec 5, 2018.
It will be interesting to see if the new smoking terrace at the Horseshoe helps or hurts business.
MD gaming revenue numbers in October 2019 compared to October 2018:
State down 8.9 pct ($143.9 million)
Live! up 1.3 pct ($47.6 million)
Horseshoe down 9.1 pct ($19.1 million)
MGMNH down 18.5 pct ($59.9 million)
October 2018 was a big month compared to October 2017 (state was up 18.6 pct, MGM up over 40 pct), so the dropoffs aren't too surprising.
MD gaming revenue numbers in November 2019 compared to November 2018:
State up 0.5 pct ($140.8 million)
Live! up 8.7 pct ($52.9 million)
Horseshoe down 5.7 pct ($18.4 million)
MGMNH down 5.9 pct ($53.9 million)
Interesting that the revenue gap between Live! and MGMNH, which has been in the roughly $7-10 million range, is now down to $1 million.
Apparently Rocky Gap had a huge boost. Really good month.
This all makes my local (a casino boat) look far more inviting. BJ is among the best in the nation with 3/2, dealer stands on all 17's, tables $5 to $500, double after split, and surrender. Downside is you are confined to the boast for about 6 hours.
This is why I can never do the casino boats. I get so claustrophobic.
Surprising about the trend at MGMNH, I am there quite often and it always seems packed, but they have been consistent in the $55mil +/- range for several months . I personally really like playing there, have met some great dealers and a bunch of local regular degens
What are blacks conditions at National Harbor these days?
I’m hoping and assuming you mean blackjack. You can find $25 3:2 during non peak times with no issue. Will be paying $25 6:5 or $50 3:2 during peak hours.
They did add another pit of 3:2 H17 tables in the back area near the S17 tables and moved all the Asian games to the old poker room. I have seen these at $15-$20 in the mornings which is the first time I’ve ever seen red chip 3:2 at MGMNH.
MD gaming revenue numbers in December 2019 compared to December 2018:
State up 0.5 pct ($149.1 million)
Live! up 3.4 pct ($51.8 million)
Horseshoe down 15.7 pct ($18.7million)
MGMNH up 4.5 pct ($62.6 million)
I’ve heard the minimums have dropped at Horseshoe, desperate for players. I haven’t been there since 2017, and even then, it was pretty empty.
That might explain why I started getting print mailers for the Horseshoe last month (can't remember ever having gotten them before), and also why my mailers are looking increasingly appealing despite no recent CET play. I last visited the Horseshoe early last April (got a hair over 1000 TC that night, mostly on blackjack), and I have not touched CET anywhere since locking up Diamond again in Vegas at the end of that month. I have not even lived near Baltimore in just over a year.
Not to mention, their Diamond Lounge is an absolute joke!
Maybe if they changed their blackjack back to 3:2 I would consider going to Horseshoe.
When I was last there nine months ago, I could find blackjack (not to be confused with the carnival game known as the 6:5 variant of blackjack) at $25 minimum bet (and I played on a $30 min table because the $25 table was not giving up any seats). Have conditions gotten even worse than that?
MD gaming revenue numbers in January 2020 compared to January 2019:
State up 6.2 pct ($145.5 million)
Live! up 11.8 pct ($51.7 million)
Horseshoe down 4.4 pct ($19.3 million)
MGMNH up 4.1 pct ($58.5 million)
Just visited a friend who is staying at MGMNH.
Eight 3/2 blackjack tables on the main floor (in the pit near the conservatory entrance). The four H17 were a reasonable $25. Three of the four S17 were $100, and the other was $200.
Craps? Seven tables open. Two were $25, and the rest? Fitty. All were full.
There is some serious money out there.
A ton of money in the DC area, indeed. Were those the table game conditions on a Sunday afternoon?
I don't think MGM has a regional property with such steep minimums for reasonable table game conditions. (In Vegas, I think only Bellagio and Aria would be as high.) This is not just because MGM (or #mgm2020). Different market, but at MGM Springfield, I can find 3:2 blackjack (actually, none of their blackjack is the 6:5 carnival game) at $25 with six decks (no mid-shoe entry), surrender available, and S17. As for dice, I doubt the tables in Springfield go above $25 minimum.
I have only ever seen craps below $25 on weekdays at 8 in the morning.
6:5 is available at $15 during weekdays but it has now been $20 as of late. Most of the time even 6:5 is $25.
I always feel bad for people that come to visit from far away and have no idea what the minimums are. There have been many times I hear someone ask where the low minimum tables are and someone tells them that $25 is a low minimum.
Yep, around 4-7 pm today.
A good number of the carny games in the one pit closest to the parking garage entrance were 15-25. But heck, I saw a decent number of the 6-5 Spanish 21 tables close to the craps area were 50.
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