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Live! Casino Baltimore, MD

Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Casino Hotels' started by Roccoscollar, Dec 5, 2018.

  1. mairsil

    mairsil Low-Roller

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    It will be interesting to see if the new smoking terrace at the Horseshoe helps or hurts business.
     
  2. hail2skins

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    MD gaming revenue numbers in October 2019 compared to October 2018:

    State down 8.9 pct ($143.9 million)
    Live! up 1.3 pct ($47.6 million)
    Horseshoe down 9.1 pct ($19.1 million)
    MGMNH down 18.5 pct ($59.9 million)

    October 2018 was a big month compared to October 2017 (state was up 18.6 pct, MGM up over 40 pct), so the dropoffs aren't too surprising.
     
  3. hail2skins

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    MD gaming revenue numbers in November 2019 compared to November 2018:

    State up 0.5 pct ($140.8 million)
    Live! up 8.7 pct ($52.9 million)
    Horseshoe down 5.7 pct ($18.4 million)
    MGMNH down 5.9 pct ($53.9 million)

    Interesting that the revenue gap between Live! and MGMNH, which has been in the roughly $7-10 million range, is now down to $1 million.
     
  4. EastCoastVegasFan!

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    Apparently Rocky Gap had a huge boost. Really good month.
     
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    This all makes my local (a casino boat) look far more inviting. BJ is among the best in the nation with 3/2, dealer stands on all 17's, tables $5 to $500, double after split, and surrender. Downside is you are confined to the boast for about 6 hours.
     
  6. jacmrose

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    This is why I can never do the casino boats. I get so claustrophobic.
     
  7. black29

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    Surprising about the trend at MGMNH, I am there quite often and it always seems packed, but they have been consistent in the $55mil +/- range for several months . I personally really like playing there, have met some great dealers and a bunch of local regular degens
     
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    What are blacks conditions at National Harbor these days?
     
  9. jacmrose

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    I’m hoping and assuming you mean blackjack. You can find $25 3:2 during non peak times with no issue. Will be paying $25 6:5 or $50 3:2 during peak hours.

    They did add another pit of 3:2 H17 tables in the back area near the S17 tables and moved all the Asian games to the old poker room. I have seen these at $15-$20 in the mornings which is the first time I’ve ever seen red chip 3:2 at MGMNH.
     
  10. hail2skins

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    MD gaming revenue numbers in December 2019 compared to December 2018:

    State up 0.5 pct ($149.1 million)
    Live! up 3.4 pct ($51.8 million)
    Horseshoe down 15.7 pct ($18.7million)
    MGMNH up 4.5 pct ($62.6 million)
     
  11. EastCoastVegasFan!

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    I’ve heard the minimums have dropped at Horseshoe, desperate for players. I haven’t been there since 2017, and even then, it was pretty empty.
     
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  12. JulianC

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    That might explain why I started getting print mailers for the Horseshoe last month (can't remember ever having gotten them before), and also why my mailers are looking increasingly appealing despite no recent CET play. I last visited the Horseshoe early last April (got a hair over 1000 TC that night, mostly on blackjack), and I have not touched CET anywhere since locking up Diamond again in Vegas at the end of that month. I have not even lived near Baltimore in just over a year.
     
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    Not to mention, their Diamond Lounge is an absolute joke!
     
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    Maybe if they changed their blackjack back to 3:2 I would consider going to Horseshoe.
     
  15. JulianC

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    When I was last there nine months ago, I could find blackjack (not to be confused with the carnival game known as the 6:5 variant of blackjack) at $25 minimum bet (and I played on a $30 min table because the $25 table was not giving up any seats). Have conditions gotten even worse than that?
     
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    MD gaming revenue numbers in January 2020 compared to January 2019:

    State up 6.2 pct ($145.5 million)
    Live! up 11.8 pct ($51.7 million)
    Horseshoe down 4.4 pct ($19.3 million)
    MGMNH up 4.1 pct ($58.5 million)
     
  17. hail2skins

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    Just visited a friend who is staying at MGMNH.

    Eight 3/2 blackjack tables on the main floor (in the pit near the conservatory entrance). The four H17 were a reasonable $25. Three of the four S17 were $100, and the other was $200.

    Craps? Seven tables open. Two were $25, and the rest? Fitty. All were full.

    There is some serious money out there.
     
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  18. JulianC

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    A ton of money in the DC area, indeed. Were those the table game conditions on a Sunday afternoon?

    I don't think MGM has a regional property with such steep minimums for reasonable table game conditions. (In Vegas, I think only Bellagio and Aria would be as high.) This is not just because MGM (or #mgm2020). Different market, but at MGM Springfield, I can find 3:2 blackjack (actually, none of their blackjack is the 6:5 carnival game) at $25 with six decks (no mid-shoe entry), surrender available, and S17. As for dice, I doubt the tables in Springfield go above $25 minimum.
     
  19. jacmrose

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    I have only ever seen craps below $25 on weekdays at 8 in the morning.

    6:5 is available at $15 during weekdays but it has now been $20 as of late. Most of the time even 6:5 is $25.

    I always feel bad for people that come to visit from far away and have no idea what the minimums are. There have been many times I hear someone ask where the low minimum tables are and someone tells them that $25 is a low minimum.
     
  20. hail2skins

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    Yep, around 4-7 pm today.

    A good number of the carny games in the one pit closest to the parking garage entrance were 15-25. But heck, I saw a decent number of the 6-5 Spanish 21 tables close to the craps area were 50.
     
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