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Table Games Laying a number as insurance when a bonus is about to hit.

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  1. Coffee

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    Does anyone else lay the number when you are one number away from hitting a bonus. Say you need a 4 to hit the All in an ATS game, would you lay the 4 to lock up a small win knowing it would cut into the big win if it hits? I do it sometimes. It depends on the odds on laying the number, my stack and the feeling. I would certainly do it on a Fire Bet once the 6th point is established. I'd lay most everything I had, although I've never been in that situation. I'd think lay some once the 5th point is established. However, if you lay the 5th and 6th point, that would cut into the big hit.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. RockyBalboa

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    If I am of sound mind and body when playing, I consider it. I wouldn't do it on a fire bet because you're still getting paid on five points.

    On the ATS? It depends on how much I have out there.
     
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    For the all tall/small bingo bets, I always do when the opportunity arises. I mostly do it to reduce losses if the 7 shows. Its not the tall or small bet that I'm really interested in. It's the ALL tall and small that is the goal. If the shooter keeps hitting numbers in the meantime, it's all good. It's great when the lay bet can cover all your bets on the other numbers. So...keep on rolling numbers !!

    Problem is...you have to get to that position and when that board resets even with a natural on the come out roll...it totally sucks.
     
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    I'd at least consider hedging on the 5th or 6th number of a firebet. It would probably be situational - I'd be more likely to do it if I was having a bad trip.

    http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/860-fire-bet-hedge/

    Of course, the best argument against hedging is that by the time you are working on the 6th number, you're now in a position to get 1000-to-1 on a number that has true odds of anywhere from 2-to-1 to 6-to-5
     
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  5. Its Only Money

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    I don't hedge on the bonuses. The one time I hit a 6 point fire bet, the table was urging me, as I was the only player on it, to lay the 5. I did but before they could even set my bet the shooter hit the 5. I'm at the casino to gamble, if the shooter is hot enough to get me almost there, I've probably made a decent amount on their roll, why do I want to change things up and hedge?
     
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    Whether it is the smart play or not, I don't do it.
     
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    I can see why people do it. Personally I don't hedge bet.
     
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    Depends on how much I have on the bet. If I just did $1 on each. Probably wouldn't hedge. Now if it were something like a nickel each. Maybe.....
     
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    I never have. I'm usually not thinking that way, just enjoying the "hot" roll and riding the wave.
     
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  10. Its Only Money

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    Actually a lot of times on the ATS if it is a horn number left I will try to double up on it with the horn high on the remaining number. I've even hit the straight up aces or midnight to complete the ATS. That makes it a lot of fun. I've been known to put the shooter on the final number too. It's just so much more fun, hedging you bet is a bit of a buzz kill IMO.
     
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    Always hedge, its free money! I might not hedge if I had less than quarters on the bet.
     
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    Not free money. It actually costs you money in terms of expected value or house edge. Any hedge for you is also a hedge for the house and they've got an edge on both bets when they are made. I'm sure they love it.

    That said, I've done it on the all or nothing bet for the last number. I wouldn't do it for any lessor payoff.
     
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    45K for all, but 15K for a small or tall. I think it's worth it to lay for half as it's a guaranteed win (what I meant by free money). So if I'm going to win 15K on the tall(or small), depending on the number I'll lay up to 8K for a guaranteed win. If its for the all I usually lay around 20K, just so I can have some winnings. I'd rather have the chance for some free money then be waiting on some crap.
     
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    Bo you are in a different Stratosphere than mist of us I think. With my nickle or sometimes dimes on the 3 spots, I don't feel the need to hedge. At 500 on the small or tall and 300 on all, I might change my thinking.
     
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    They only allow $1100 on the ATS so it's 45K total win....used to be more when the odds were better!
    I said I wouldn't probably hedge if I had less then $25 on them, but at some point relative to your bankroll, it's going to be worth the hedge IMO.
     
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    I've tossed out a Big Red bet on the come out roll to cover multiple come bets still on the table. I think that's as close as I've gotten to that.
     
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    I would never argue with someone that wanted to - but I don't do it - am there to gamble not hedge
     
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  18. La$Vega$

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    Interesting paradox on dice...hedging the ATS or Fire
    If it makes one more comfortable, why not
    This same exact situation presented itself recently
    Personally, I don't
     
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    I respect your gamble! I use to go with this theory, especially if it was a point number I was looking for, but at some point I dec having the bonus riding on that number was enough for.
     
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    Could someone provide and example with dollar figures so that I can follow a bit better?
     
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