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Discussion in 'Comps' started by chantellevegas, Aug 1, 2016.

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  1. gilly from philly

    gilly from philly Low-Roller

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    If you are going to call thousands of people idiots for their choices, you might want to get your facts straight. The article stated that drink lights are Caesars properties, not MGM's.
     
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  2. georgesken

    georgesken Low-Roller

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    You are So wrong.... They don't only save hundreds of 0,5$ in drinks. Freeloaders Will now have to buy for a drink, So they win a lot doing this. They wont buy as much as they would have gotten for free, but if they only by one drink (6-12$) they make a very Nice profit from people who would otherwise only cost them money.

    And if you are a real gambler, you keep gambling anyhow, and still get whatever you want.
     
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  3. Turtleman

    Turtleman VIP Whale

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    The reference to MGM instead of Caesars was plainly marked as a QUOTE from an email I received the other day. I haven't patronized Strip properties in years, so I have no firsthand knowledge on this entire drink light topic. As long as "the squeeze" doesn't extend to table games, I'm fine.

    An apology: I should have known better than to post a quote from my email reply. It seems that the use of "stupid, idiot, etc." always ruffles somebody's feathers – personal opinion or otherwise.

    I went back to edit out the offending word, but "edit" doesn't show up. Is it no longer possible to edit posts beyond a certain time limit?
     
  4. bigalbr

    bigalbr VIP Whale

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    I see two problems that this system just typifies. We completely lost the competitive balance at the low/mid end of Vegas with the consolidation into 2 major entities (MGM and CET). The first time I went to Vegas, CET was Harrah's and Park Place, MGM didn't own Mirage, Alladin was still around and independent, Westward Ho was still standing, Stardust was still standing, Frontier was still standing, the Riviera was still standing. There's no way any one operator could have gotten away with resort fees, parking fees, or screwing around with free drinks.

    The other problem with this thread are the fake casino owners. Strip casinos make money. You are a customer, not an owner. Even if CET dissolves, those casinos will stay open. Your job as a customer is to extract as much value for your money from the casino as possible. It's not to rubberstamp every player/guest unfriendly policy they implement.

    I think it's fairly obvious that in addition to running out no/slow players, they also want to limit the amount of drinks you can get while gambling at the bar top. My practice has always been to just put a tented dollar bill on the top of the VP machine where the bartender could see it whenever I wanted a drink. As soon as he brought me a beer, the dollar went in his jar. No verbal exchange aside from a mutual "Thank You" when we both got what we wanted. No stupid stop lights or coupons. Also, don't think either system couldn't work at slots.
     
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  5. bjpcyclone

    bjpcyclone High-Roller

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    If they are trying to freeload at the bar VP, they probably aren't going to pay $8 for a beer. They'll walk across the street and find a Walgreens or ABC.
     
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  6. georgesken

    georgesken Low-Roller

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    some will buy one or two drinks which would be profit for the casinos. The others will just stay away from Vegas or the bigger resorts at least which makes room for the clubbers who will pay for their drinks. A win win situation.
     
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  7. BaileyPaws

    BaileyPaws Low-Roller

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    I sincerely believe that most us who posted on this forum are looking at it from a gamblers prospective. And that's why this topic has drawn so much interest. Just to make this interesting...I know what it costs me for a beer or a bottle. About $1 a drink for the run of the mill drink. (For the sake of time leave the 18yr single malt out of this) I'm absolutely sure it costs them less because of the quantity they buy. Add the overhead of there staff and nothing else and I'm guessing they get up to $1 a drink aswell...

    Casinos are never in fear of loosing money over this. They do loose money every day...but it's not a net loss it's a profit potential loss. Let's just call it misplacing potential share holder profits. It's a calculated risk and someone must oversee who gets what (the more you drink the more likely you are to get separated from your money)
    Those drinks have been paid for through taking a profit buck from somewhere else. But a loss is a loss no matter how you look at it.

    Free drinks are there and you can still get a drink if you are gambling. Maybe not in the next 5 years will all of that change. It could take 10 maybe 15 years. Maybe it will always be there like it always has been. Casinos now more than ever are trying to capitalize on the newly grown casino market of millennials who engage in social media wars about who did what where and look how much I spent! One liner named clubs are here to stay. So is the $200 bottle of Taka Vodka.

    As a true gambler myself (even a guy that always has brought his own booze to the casino from the dawn of time) I do enjoy interacting with the cocktail waitress and getting an extra beer. I enjoy the feeling that I'm being attended to and that at least while I'm here loosing my money, I can just get that little something back for my troubles.

    In the end the casino will do what's best for its bottom line and shareholder revenue. Hopefully it doesn't affect our bottom line more than it already does. Laughlin here I come!
     
  8. Funkhouser

    Funkhouser In Charge of the Big Door

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    So the system has been around a little bit of time, however the challenge has been the lack of information on play required to comp. I believe what we found out at some of the MGM properties is that the system was just as heavily time weighted as coin in.
    Meaning they were not solely basing comps on the amount of coin in thru. Also we don't know if a coin in / gaming return is being weighted. MGM is also trying to spin the drink pours as something the customer wants, to minimize damage control.

    My general feeling on the whole practice is this, gamblers who reach higher tier statuses in the slot clubs should not be subjected to this bullshit. If I want a drink or a certain pour and stick my card in the machine the system should recognize my status and the bartender have discretion to comp. This seems to me an earned benefit and a loyalty play for the casino. However I think the bean counters look at this as a formula to be tweaked to maximize alcohol comp savings and also save on labor charges. EG the less pours means they can reduce bar staffing as needed. We also do not know if the casinos are introducing any demand based comp reduction on drinks, meaning do they require more coin in on say a weekend to maximize return. We know demand based pricing is creeping into restaurants, bars, and has long been a hotel room practice.

    It's important to keep this discussion on going so those of us who are displeased with the practice socialize the information. This is a risky proposition for the casinos in the sense they finally have technology to eliminate the freeloading non gamblers taking a comp, but in the process run the risk of alienating their loyal customer base. I have started to vote with my feet and no longer play at MGM bartops any more. If CET continues to tighten drink comps in Vegas, then I might as well stay home and play where the gaming return is better, I can just as easily pay for drinks and save on airfare.
     
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  9. shokhead

    shokhead No big spender unless eating drinking having fun!

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    That's an outlier that shouldn't be used. It has to do with the same reason MGM is making you pay to park, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
     
  10. wanker751

    wanker751 Dutch Rudder Enthusiast

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    This is one of the most level headed response to this topic.
     
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  11. bjpcyclone

    bjpcyclone High-Roller

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    At the MGM lobby bar a few weeks ago, this was exactly the case. I play 2-3x faster than my wife and we both got drink tickets at the exact same time.
     
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    That is where you and I disagree. Just got back from Vegas (Caesars 50th) and we are seeing more and more people in some of the "lower" properties feeling this entitlement (and if this cuts into our benefits I don't appreciate it). I am not a shill for CET or MGM but I understand and have no problem with this you play you get drinks you don't you probably won't get drinks. Don't think it will get any better and the casino industry is in business to make money.
     
  13. wrxrob

    wrxrob High-Roller

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    I was reading an article posted on facebook (royalflusher), said that some casinos are watching how much you gamble at the bar-tops, and spitting out "free cocktail vouchers"

    That's just... wrong. Every time I can remember going to Vegas (last time in '14), the bartender would keep your glass full as long as you were playing max, and dropping the bartender a buck a drink for tips. I did experience a bartender give me hell for not betting max at Ellis Island once, but I've never had any other problems. And I know the Wynn had once wiped out free drinks for VP players entirely, but not sure if that is still the case?

    How does this work anyway? Is there some specific number, like $50 coin-in, and a voucher prints a cash-out ticket for a free cocktail?? Does this mean, the player's card is now required for free drinks too?
     
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    Nevada1278 Low-Roller

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    rje High-Roller

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    I came across this article today in the NY Post...

    http://nypost.com/2016/08/11/vegas-is-trying-to-cheat-you-out-of-even-more-money/

    Commentary on a few "money grabbing" techniques the casinos have been using of late to fatten their bottom lines (such as parking fess, resort fess, 6:5 BJ etc..)

    Something that caught me by surprise was the following comment...
    "Now they’re making it so that the bar-top slot and video poker machines decide when you’ve gambled enough to warrant a free drink by spitting out cocktail vouchers."

    Has anyone seen this? Not sure if it a tongue and cheek comment, or if is actually in practice?
     
  16. BlacklabberMike

    BlacklabberMike MIA

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    old news. been discussed in various threads
     
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  17. Backagain1

    Backagain1 High-Roller

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    Wow! I did not know this.
     
  18. Ty

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    Another reason to avoid the Strip.
     
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  19. Electroguy563

    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    That's neat. sort of like when you swipe your card at the kiosk to find out if you have free stuff like buffet vouchers or such. I wonder if the slot machines on the floor will do the same thing, or is it already a reality in some places. I'm not saying it's a good thing, and the people who sit at these machines and slow play it to get drinks will be sad.
     
  20. WIZARD

    WIZARD You're gonna need a Bigger Boat

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    When I was at Harrah's the beginning of July, at the Video Poker Bar at the far end of the Casino, on the way to Casino Royale, the bartender informed me that they had a "new" light comp system and that I had to play a minimum of $12 dollars coin-in, in less than two(2) minutes to get a green light and a free drink. He also said that no matter how fast you played, if you were only playing one(1) quarter at a time, you would never get one.
     
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